[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Mon Oct 14 07:40:22 EDT 2013

Sorry, wish I could say so to feel included among the those who regret 
losses in version 4x, but I so far don't feel any pain from loss in 
Reaper 454.
Way back in version 3 or 2x, I always used the IO dialog brought up with 
I, so never missed those missing menus.
Deleting extra sends also seems so easy with NVDA.
Indi

On 10/14/2013 7:25 AM, Drew wrote:
> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>
> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the following:
>
> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two
> seconds it will make the send and then return you to the top of the
> combo, which is of course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people
> don't tend to like settings taking effect until they're entirely done
> poking around; it's not intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch
> of sends without realizing what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down
> arrow, you can arrow up and down this list all day with no
> repercussions; however this seems not do-able in NVDA, or at least, so
> my admittedly brief testing shows.
>
> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having
> to rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a
> specific order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go
> to the offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The
> end.
>
> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of
> the master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in
> project defaults.
>
> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking
> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has
> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I
> barely sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell
> people it's fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who
> really care have better things to do than write replies like this, so...
> you're welcome, or something.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>
>
>> I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>> ReaAccess IO dialog.
>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow
>> expands them.
>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of
>> the list, 64 channels.
>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>
>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just
>> a new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>> Indi
>>
>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that seemed
>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure if
>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as it's
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to destination
>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>> >=1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this up
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key
>>>>>>>>>> input of
>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it?
>>>>>>>>>> Been a
>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends: add
>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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