[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Mon Oct 14 07:25:23 EDT 2013

It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!

The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the following:

-Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two seconds it 
will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which is of 
course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to like 
settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's not 
intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without realizing 
what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up and 
down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not do-able 
in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.

-Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having to 
rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a specific 
order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the 
offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.

-Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of the 
master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in project 
defaults.

Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production 
environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking 
advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all 
easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has 
tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I barely 
sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people it's 
fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care have 
better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're welcome, or 
something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

>I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the 
>ReaAccess IO dialog.
> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow expands 
> them.
> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of the 
> list, 64 channels.
> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>
> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just a 
> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
> Indi
>
> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that seemed
>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>
>>
>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure if
>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>
>>>
>>>> Afraid not.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it would
>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as it's
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing matrix,
>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to destination
>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>> >=1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the 
>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired effect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this up
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the compressor.
>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key input 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it? Been 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends: add
>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the 
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change where
>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
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