[RWP] Wanted AHK script

Sun Oct 13 22:01:43 EDT 2013

I will just comment that most people happily snarf up a so-called free 
solution, without realizing that that solution took a tremendous investment 
on somebody's part.
I've been involved in this enough to know that his numbers are realistic 
indeed.  There is a wopping amount of effort required here, for each and 
every one of them.  All our so-called free solutions are essentially 
subsidized, whether it's from somebody's generosity, or the magnimity of the 
australian Government, or whomever.  They don't grow on trees.  They have to 
be pounded out, bit by painful bit.  And, that takes a lot of somebody's 
personal time.

Part of the problem of developing access solutions is the fact that a blind 
guy is usually at the center of the development, and is in the best position 
to understand how to present the adaptation in a form that will be efficient 
and convenient to use.  But, that person has a tremendous learning curve to 
climb, and usually needs sighted help.  Not just the detailed understanding 
of the exact behavior of the application being adapted, but the endless 
details of getting the adaptation to work correctly, reliably, and 
understandably, for all manner of different computers, operating systems, 
screen settings, etc, etc. .  Each project is one big massive bunch of time 
and effrot.

One of the things that seems to be retarding AHK solutions is that 
development is difficult, and unweildy, where HSC gives you a wizard that 
collects up all the neded stuff, and lets you define a control  in a lot 
less time.  Even so, there is still a lot of fiddling about to make sure you 
really do have all the cases covered.  And, the jury is still out on the 
ways in which absence of an off-screen model will constrain the AHK 
solution.  That is a serious concern.   But, it has to be tried.

So, I wrote the HotSpot knockoff AHK script, hoping to begin the process of 
developing some kind of productivity wizard in AHK land, but It has not 
gained legs in any significant way.  Now and then though, I hear from people 
who say they really want to make a serious effort to develop an HSC 
solution, written in AHK, a  skeleton that will facilitate spot creation. 
That work might be under way, I'm not sure.  But, I definitely hope so. 
Because, when the giants,  Freedom Scientific and GW micro finally come to 
their knees, because they can't sell their screen readers  for more than 
$39.95, it would be nice to have a good solution to fall back on.
It may be time to make sure that parachute will deploy when needed.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK script

>I think you're being fairly myopic about your numbers. Let's leave it at 
>that.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Spamer" <steve at vipaudioaccess.com>
> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK script
>
>
>> Drew, I totally see your point...and I am an advocate of choice believe 
>> me.
>> I wish we had every bit as much choice as a sighted dood, but what I'm
>> trying to say is about the "here and now"!
>>
>> NVDA with an AHK solution for all the plugs we need would be fantastic, 
>> but
>> who's going to do it?  I hope someone will, but the time/effort and
>> frustrations that go along with it are not usually recognised by a
>> user...and I'm not saying they should, but a good example is your comment
>> that it would cost
>> much less to create another cross platform solution...where did you get 
>> this
>> idea from?
>>
>> There is absolutely no money to be made out of access solutions in this
>> area, as the community/need is too small, so we're left with someone 
>> doing
>> solutions on a personal level...that's how I usually do it and the money 
>> I
>> make back hardly covers the outlay I make to hire sighted help, never 
>> mind
>> the time I put in.  A good example is Jim who develops HSC, my god if 
>> that
>> guy got payed for the work he's done, the bill would run into the tens 
>> if
>> not the hundreds of thousands, but it's free!, amazing eh.  Jaws is a 
>> means
>> to an end, an area that I have the skills to create, AHK is not at the
>> moment.  Don't under estimate what's required to make something 
>> accessible,
>> think about the time it takes to learn a plug to the level you need to in
>> order to script it, plus many specific HSC functions have been created to
>> make certain plugs interfaces accessible...and this has been an on going
>> thing...I don't know if AHK could meet our needs to such a level.
>>
>> The current climate gives us free HSC, free AHK, free NVDA, free/cheap
>> Reaper, so I can see why Jaws would be a turn off, but I don't see how 
>> you
>> come to the conclusion that it would be much cheaper to create another
>> solution...unless you mean someone should do it for a couple of hundred, 
>> but
>> put hundreds of hours work into it.  Not realistic, unless you want to do
>> the job?  Cheers Steve.
>>
>> Visit:
>> www.vipaudioaccess.com
>> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and 
>> to
>> basically get involved!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Drew
>> Sent: 13 October 2013 13:25
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK script
>>
>> That's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though. Without JAWS, you won't 
>> be
>> able to use these JAWS spots, so even though it would cost much less to 
>> make
>> new cross platform alternatives, you should instead pay for a 
>> screenreader
>> you aren't used to because, well, everyone else does.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Spamer" <steve at vipaudioaccess.com>
>> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK script
>>
>>
>>> Hi GF. David Shortland was developing AHK scripts for Omnisphere I 
>>> think.
>>> Ideally, some kind of conversion utility would make life so much
>>> easier, as it's like reinventing the wheel each time with a new set of
>>> tools for users, who like yourself have said, don't even have the doe
>>> to pay for scripts...not much of an incentive is it <grin.  I'm
>>> surprised you have Jaws, but choose not to use it because you don't
>>> want to be tied to just 1 screenreader. Unfortunately, we need choice
>>> and usually have to maximize the positives from each to gain the best
>>> accessibility.  I know cash is the main player with Jaws, but if you
>>> want to use something, then that's the way you have to go for now.
>>> You wouldn't have a dedicated, shit hot DAW and then choose to use the
>>> on board soundcard because you don't want to be tied to just a Mackie
>>> Onyx interface or something, you'd get something that would do the
>>> job.  Think of Jaws as an investment in your studio, the same way you
>>> do hardware, if you're serious about your music and need to access
>>> plugs you otherwise couldn't. Cheers Steve.
>>>
>>> Visit:
>>> www.vipaudioaccess.com
>>> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music
>>> and to basically get involved!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga
>>> Productions
>>> Sent: 13 October 2013 01:35
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK script
>>>
>>> I don't have an up-to-date version of jaws, or money to pay for
>>> scripts at the moment. I will be able to pay a developer for a future
>>> project. Plus, I don't want to be bound to 1 screenreader. I think
>>> that other people should be able to enjoy the AHK scripts. I will keep
>>> this in mind though, I may still check them out. Do they work with
>>> Jaws 8? That's what I am authorized for. lol. Kind of old. I know.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Brian Casey <brian_w_casey at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's a jaws/hot spot clicker script that is outstanding. Go to
>>>> vipaudioaccess.com for more. If you don't hve jaws buying it could be
>>>> cheaper and definitely easier than attempt developing a comparable
>>>> solution with ahk
>>>>
>>>> Hth
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2013, at 12:30 AM, "Goldfinga Productions"
>>>> <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Omnisphere is the plugin I am looking for AHK scripts for. Is that
>>> something that can be done, or that has been done? and before everyone
>>> goes on about money. Im sure that some of us will pay. I just want to
>>> know if there is someone who is willing to take on the project?
>>>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> GF
>>>>>
>>>>> Check me out on twitter
>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
>>>>>
>>>>>
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