[RWP] automation

Wed May 29 23:53:49 EDT 2013

I'm too used to linear midi editing where things stay as you left them.

If one has to ride a fader all the way to the end of each pass, that takes a 
lot of time, there should be a way to not have to do that.

But it is what it is.

I see why people like item based editing with reaper right now till we get 
automation understood and in control for our needs.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] automation

> Chris, you got it right earlier. Reper was designed by programmers, who 
> might even happened to be musicians.  Or, maybe they just had friends who 
> were.
>
> The thing is, sometimes that is exactly what you would want.  Consider 
> that your channel slider is nominally 0 db, which is just fine for most of 
> the mix.
> When you touch up with automation, very often you are just trying to 
> twiddle one little passage.  And then, you want to go back to the standard 
> 0db level that you  were generally happy with, except for this passage you 
> just twiddled.  This just puts it back there for you when you drop off. 
> So, you don't have to worry about untwiddling.  That seems like a normal 
> course of events.
> And, with this action, you have the option to tell it otherwise if you 
> want.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] automation
>
>
>> That's just ridiculous though, having to extend an envelope and fill to 
>> the end of a track.
>>
>> To me, that's like bad design.
>>
>> How would you like to twist a knob on your board and when you let go it 
>> went back to where it was before you touched it?
>>
>> Reaper looses the vote on that particular feature.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] automation
>>
>>
>>> You have an action in the Reaper actions list, brought up with F4; that 
>>> writes the current envelope levels to the end of project.
>>> In the search edit box at the top of the actions list you can type in 
>>> automation write and you'll get only automation actions in the list you 
>>> tab down to.
>>> Arrow down in that list field.
>>>
>>> After selecting that action to fill the remaining part of the track with 
>>> the current written levels; assign a shortcut to that action.
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2013 5:18 AM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>> Write, latch and touch record with the keyboard.
>>>> I can get volume and pan to record, but nothing else.  Also, the 
>>>> instant
>>>> I press stop, the volume/pan resets to the project settings.  Short of
>>>> playing the project to its end, I know of no other way to make 
>>>> something
>>>> move and stay.
>>>> I could record a demo if anyone would like.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2013 2:18 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Not managed to do that either, tried turning on write and doing f5 and
>>>>> then switching to read like I did with the pan and volume but it won't
>>>>> work the same way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" 
>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:04 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] automation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On that note, how about recording track mutes in automation? I can't
>>>>>> manage to do this even with a control surface using Reaper 3.78, and
>>>>>> I have seen forums referencing people doing this even with older
>>>>>> versions than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 11:08 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>> Something must have got corrupted in the Reaper x86 version 4.4402 I
>>>>>>> keep on this machine, only for reference, so I reverted it back to
>>>>>>> factory specs and uninstalled and reinstalled it, just to be 150
>>>>>>> percent
>>>>>>> certain.
>>>>>>> Now it loads the plugsit wouldn't before, and write and read 
>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>> work as expected from alt+up/down arrows.
>>>>>>> When you tried alt+up or down, did you try standing on the up down
>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>> to get quick changes
>>>>>>> I mean it's not super quick, but it's at least as fast a slope for
>>>>>>> fadeout as anybody would ordinarily use for a fadeout or fade in.
>>>>>>> In a couple of seconds I'm getting up around plus 20 and 30db, same
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> holding the down arrow..
>>>>>>> I didn't time it, but I could probably get to silence around minus 
>>>>>>> 70db
>>>>>>> in five or six seconds, maybe less.
>>>>>>> I had the same experience here as others, I couldn't tell that read
>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>> was recording anything.
>>>>>>> Touch mode also didn't seem to record.
>>>>>>> I wasn't totally certain about latch mode; once I thought it did,
>>>>>>> then I
>>>>>>> couldn't replicate that.
>>>>>>> Next time I'll try touch and latch, then look at undo to learn if 
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> saying undo automation?
>>>>>>> Maybe touch and latch are recording, but the recorded envelope is 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> playing back, because of some setting I don't know about.
>>>>>>> Also, for some reason the clear envelope points and other useful
>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>> in track view/envelope subMenu are disabled.
>>>>>>> I couldn't find any way to enable them.
>>>>>>> I ran a clear envelope points action directly from the actions list, 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> joy.
>>>>>>> Yes, no need to activate volume in the envelope subMenu, it's
>>>>>>> automatically activated when you use alt+up arrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even standing on the button, , no way that clunky alt+up arrow is 
>>>>>>> gonna
>>>>>>> be a tenth as agile as even the simplest fader on any old piece of
>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>> It's that old common sense sales pitch they use to sell you a 
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> surface, would you rather crunch numbers or get real world hands on
>>>>>>> control of your music?
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
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