[RWP] automation (Abandonware)

Wed May 29 23:45:11 EDT 2013

Yes, that's true, I was talking about your garden variety midi controler.

there is a mackie universal in my future, but so far I've managed to work 
quickly and efficiently with my daw of choice without a control surface, and 
I'm hoping for the same with reaper at some point.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] automation (Abandonware)

> alot of modern non motorized faders now actually  wont kick in till it 
> crosses the point where the fader is set in the DAW. THis does prevent the 
> jump in volume or pan position when you even so muc as  accidentally nudge 
> a fader that isn't cose to what its assigned to in that view.
> On May 29, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>
>> Hey Scott,
>> I was reading on the reaper site about reaper being able to be rewired to 
>> anothe daw, which makes for some interesting possibilities.
>>
>> I used to rewire reason to sonar.
>>
>> so maybe I can have my cake and eat it too.
>>
>> I don't want to go down the control surface route because it's so fraught 
>> with it's own issues, you only have so many controls, and midi learning 
>> controler assignments is tedius and time consuming, but I guess it'd work 
>> for a specific set up which doesn't change much.
>>
>> Unless reaper can load different set-ups easily this is one problem we 
>> had in sonar we could midi learn functions, but they wouldn't always 
>> stick and no way to save stuff and the generic surfaces would allow for 
>> basic set-ups but not everything was defined.
>>
>> There are the
>> universal defined standards, mackie, sonar mode, what have you, but there 
>> again, your limited to what is defined in those standards,
>> and one thing sonar has is that universal interface, for all of it's 
>> controls it allows easy automation with the computer keyboard or 
>> snapshots, everybody works differently but I find when I can look at 
>> where a fader is set with a numeric value, and then move it a precise 
>> amount and take a picture at a pre-defined spot, that works beter for me, 
>> and then use faders for things like long fade outs, or moving synths 
>> around rhythmically in a pan field in time to the music or something like 
>> that, but not to ride a vocal.
>> or instrument.
>>
>> I might do so to swell organs or strings like you would with a pedal, but 
>> for descrete volume changes to get between words and precise movements, 
>> even if i had the best control surface in the world, I'd still want to do 
>> snapshots.
>>
>> so you really need both to have the best of everything.
>>
>> And of course they need to be motorized faders because you'll get the big 
>> jerk when you move a fader and it's not set near where the value of the 
>> controler actually is.
>>
>> so that's the problem with most keyboard controlers, you need to look at 
>> where your control is set at in the daw and before you turn on automation 
>> set them as close together as you can so when you move the fader they'll 
>> be in sync.
>>
>> This is never a problem with built in snapshots in the daw, or automation 
>> done from the conrol in the daw.
>>
>> Anyway, clip based editing is similar to snapshots i that you can see the 
>> value you've set and you know exactly how much you went up or down.
>>
>> But if you want a smooth fade up or down you have to use those percentage 
>> sliders for the item and get those edges lined up just right and that can 
>> take some time, more time than just doingn a quick snapshot, though folks 
>> who have become used to item based editing are probably pretty quick at 
>> it.
>>
>> Anyway, if I can use reaper as a rewire device for sonar, I used to 
>> freeze reason tracks and use then in sonar, so perhaps I could freeze 
>> reaper tracks and use them the same way,
>> bounce stuff back and forth and use the best of both daw's.
>>
>> After I've had some rest today, i should put this through the paces.
>>
>> This is terrible, i have pending work to do, but not i got the reaper bug 
>> and want to try things.
>>
>> Well, we'll get there eventually.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth" 
>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] automation (Abandonware)
>>
>>
>>> Tell glass half full to anyone who's stuck in 3.78 for a legitimate
>>> reason and see how it goes down. That situation is happening now for
>>> some people, depending on their hardware and usage. I love Reaper,
>>> it's the only DAW I've felt comfortable enough in to switch away from
>>> Pro Tools, I intend to use it as much as I can for as long as I can,
>>> but see little point in denying that there's a problem sneaking up on
>>> us here. If someone with the time and skills to start a fresh doesn't
>>> pop up, in a couple years time you're gonna be in a worse situation
>>> than the Sonar folks you were just bashing are in right now. Glass
>>> half full will only take you and the rest of us so far, valuable as
>>> that progress may be.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 5/29/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> I don't know how international copyrights would apply, but much of
>>>> ReaAccess uses standard Reaper custom actions, which anybody is free to
>>>> use.
>>>> Plenty of sighted users on the Cockos forums have set up their own
>>>> custom actions, custom layouts, custom toolbars, custom menus, and
>>>> nobody is trying to copyright them and hoard the rights.
>>>> If you read what Justin Frankel says about Reaper itself, you are
>>>> invited to add to it and enhance it as much as you want.
>>>> I think ReaAccess is great myself.
>>>> Some people seem to live on carping about what something lacks, instead
>>>> of learning to use and enjoying what it has.
>>>> It's that old glass half empty or glass half full thing.
>>>> They should chill out, take an antidepressant or something.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2013 7:40 AM, jinseng at yandex.ru wrote:
>>>>> Ivan didn't reply nor to Reaperians niether to his russian mates if 
>>>>> they
>>>>> ask him about ReaAccess. Russian website of Reaccess is frosen. I 
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> succede trying to know news about reoganised ReaAccess crew in Russia. 
>>>>> So
>>>>> everybody is free to start ReaAccess again. By the way, the name of 
>>>>> our
>>>>> project was invented by Scott so if Moscow guys wish to continue they 
>>>>> can
>>>>> choose new name, it doesn't matter though.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jinseng.
>>>>>
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