[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
Jim Snowbarger
Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com
Wed May 29 23:00:56 EDT 2013
Well, with all due respect, this was established as a list with a Reaper
focus. And, we have not been very good at honoring that, and should get
back to it.
I think that, if we did, list traffic would die down to a more manageable
level, and I would get more things done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
> Why are some folks so defensive when they're challenged?
>
> Perhaps they're too complacent always being in learning mode and never
> doing anything with it.
>
> My students depend on me to find out what works for them and are
> constantly asking me questions about what does what best.
>
> when you cover as much ground as i do, it's only natural to compare and
> take the best from all the tools we use.
>
> If challenging lively discourse bothers you maybe it's time for you to
> retire from something so hard, and go sit in the rocking chair and pet
> your dog and make flutes.
>
> I'm not worried about loosing students, still getting a steady trickle,
> and as technology moves, I will move with it.
>
> There's just a lot of diference in expectations of those who are seriously
> doing work in this field and those who are just messing about.
>
> Seems like you've been messing about for 15 years now.
>
> I have first year students who have sent me wonderful mixes and creative
> output, still have yet to hear even one from you.
>
> so you reserve your judgement and go look in the mirror old boy.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>
>
>>I don't really get it, why don't folks who love sonar just leave the
>>Reaper forum for folks who want to learn reaper, and go off and enjoy
>>using Sonar?
>> Could it be that they are terrified of losing what little Sonar related
>> business they still have, and realize that poor old sonar is already dead
>> since 2 generations ago.
>> They're fault finding about Reaper, hoping against hope to scare off
>> potential new users; but don't seem to remember how many times their
>> sonar crashed, lost data, whole projects, how lame V-vocal is compared to
>> AutoTune, what a failure Cakewalk's auto mapping scheme for control
>> surfaces was.
>> Huge, ponderous Sonar is to Reaper what NVDA is to JFW or Wineyes 7.
>> But, despite themselves, if they actually learn to run Reaper, they'll be
>> seduced into loving it, so they'd better look out!
>> Indi
>>
>> On 5/29/2013 7:51 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> It's still that way to this day. While they have some *entry level*
>>> price point stuff bult in china now, the bulk of their line is still
>>> built like a tank somewhere in mississippi.
>>>
>>> Re: Automation. Reaper isn't the only Daw where you have have to use
>>> another action to write automation to the end. Other DAWS have done it
>>> taht way too, and depending on your workflow can be a pro or con.
>>> However given that you are used to sonar's way of doing things, I
>>> understand your frustration.
>>>
>>> On Windows with master track selected under the view menu, does the
>>> master track not show up in the tracklist so you can change its routing
>>> using reaper 4? It seems SWS and more specifically ReaConsole should
>>> help get around some of the shortcommings of reaaccess and provide a
>>> faster overall workflow in general as well. Yeah but thats something
>>> else to learn, but may be worth the day or so to get fimilar with it if
>>> you can spare it.
>>> On May 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Back in the day peavey gear was the workin man's gear that just kept on
>>>> going no matter how badly you abused it.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's why my knees are shot now man, I ligged many a cs1200 up
>>>> a back bar-room stair case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>> I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
>>>>> I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
>>>>> At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still
>>>>> hear it, but could also hear my speech.
>>>>> Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
>>>>> Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
>>>>> I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
>>>>> After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
>>>>> Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to
>>>>> numPad and left click it there.
>>>>> A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
>>>>> Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
>>>>> Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
>>>>> Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
>>>>> Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
>>>>> I selected a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off
>>>>> severely or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
>>>>> Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a
>>>>> control on your control surface.
>>>>> Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll
>>>>> hear an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on
>>>>> track 1.
>>>>> If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down
>>>>> and press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected
>>>>> parameter to that control.
>>>>> If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters;
>>>>> and you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
>>>>> Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the
>>>>> latest offerings from China.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> Indigo, where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done? I have
>>>>>> bound
>>>>>> a CC to an action, but that's all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About NRPN messages, it is nt' a singel controller message. It is a
>>>>>> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click. It
>>>>>> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter
>>>>>> number,
>>>>>> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
>>>>>> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
>>>>>> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>>>>>>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>>>>>>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>>>>>>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive messages that couldn't be
>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned
>>>>>>> now,
>>>>>>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>>>>>>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> from wiggling that control?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>>>>>>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>>>>>>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>>>>>>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>>>>>>> midi info you have.
>>>>>>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem. I have one, as
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> know. The problem is interfacing it.
>>>>>>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>>>>>>> messages. It's not a single controller. My hunting on the forums
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>>>>>>> Still hunting, if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>>>>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>>>>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>>>>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with
>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>>>>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several
>>>>>>>>> models,like
>>>>>>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1; but finally got it right in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> later PCR-300/500/800 series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> configuring it.
>>>>>>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi
>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old
>>>>>>>>> groove
>>>>>>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>>>>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>>>>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>>>>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with
>>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> as hes been using them longer than i and is the one who turned
>>>>>>>>>> me on
>>>>>>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole
>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg
>>>>>>>>>> Nano
>>>>>>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly
>>>>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions
>>>>>>>>>>> can;
>>>>>>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title;
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post
>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us know how the installation goes as i am using 64 BIT
>>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while
>>>>>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is 100% virus proof, things can be made more robust
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it
>>>>>>>>>>>> aint
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survives
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> match
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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