[RWP] automation (Abandonware)

Wed May 29 13:32:15 EDT 2013

Hey Scott,
I was reading on the reaper site about reaper being able to be rewired to 
anothe daw, which makes for some interesting possibilities.

I used to rewire reason to sonar.

so maybe I can have my cake and eat it too.

I don't want to go down the control surface route because it's so fraught 
with it's own issues, you only have so many controls, and midi learning 
controler assignments is tedius and time consuming, but I guess it'd work 
for a specific set up which doesn't change much.

Unless reaper can load different set-ups easily this is one problem we had 
in sonar we could midi learn functions, but they wouldn't always stick and 
no way to save stuff and the generic surfaces would allow for basic set-ups 
but not everything was defined.

There are the
universal defined standards, mackie, sonar mode, what have you, but there 
again, your limited to what is defined in those standards,
and one thing sonar has is that universal interface, for all of it's 
controls it allows easy automation with the computer keyboard or snapshots, 
everybody works differently but I find when I can look at where a fader is 
set with a numeric value, and then move it a precise amount and take a 
picture at a pre-defined spot, that works beter for me, and then use faders 
for things like long fade outs, or moving synths around rhythmically in a 
pan field in time to the music or something like that, but not to ride a 
vocal.
or instrument.

I might do so to swell organs or strings like you would with a pedal, but 
for descrete volume changes to get between words and precise movements, even 
if i had the best control surface in the world, I'd still want to do 
snapshots.

so you really need both to have the best of everything.

And of course they need to be motorized faders because you'll get the big 
jerk when you move a fader and it's not set near where the value of the 
controler actually is.

so that's the problem with most keyboard controlers, you need to look at 
where your control is set at in the daw and before you turn on automation 
set them as close together as you can so when you move the fader they'll be 
in sync.

This is never a problem with built in snapshots in the daw, or automation 
done from the conrol in the daw.

Anyway, clip based editing is similar to snapshots i that you can see the 
value you've set and you know exactly how much you went up or down.

But if you want a smooth fade up or down you have to use those percentage 
sliders for the item and get those edges lined up just right and that can 
take some time, more time than just doingn a quick snapshot, though folks 
who have become used to item based editing are probably pretty quick at it.

Anyway, if I can use reaper as a rewire device for sonar, I used to freeze 
reason tracks and use then in sonar, so perhaps I could freeze reaper tracks 
and use them the same way,
bounce stuff back and forth and use the best of both daw's.

After I've had some rest today, i should put this through the paces.

This is terrible, i have pending work to do, but not i got the reaper bug 
and want to try things.

Well, we'll get there eventually.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] automation (Abandonware)

> Tell glass half full to anyone who's stuck in 3.78 for a legitimate
> reason and see how it goes down. That situation is happening now for
> some people, depending on their hardware and usage. I love Reaper,
> it's the only DAW I've felt comfortable enough in to switch away from
> Pro Tools, I intend to use it as much as I can for as long as I can,
> but see little point in denying that there's a problem sneaking up on
> us here. If someone with the time and skills to start a fresh doesn't
> pop up, in a couple years time you're gonna be in a worse situation
> than the Sonar folks you were just bashing are in right now. Glass
> half full will only take you and the rest of us so far, valuable as
> that progress may be.
>
> Scott
>
> On 5/29/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> I don't know how international copyrights would apply, but much of
>> ReaAccess uses standard Reaper custom actions, which anybody is free to
>> use.
>> Plenty of sighted users on the Cockos forums have set up their own
>> custom actions, custom layouts, custom toolbars, custom menus, and
>> nobody is trying to copyright them and hoard the rights.
>> If you read what Justin Frankel says about Reaper itself, you are
>> invited to add to it and enhance it as much as you want.
>> I think ReaAccess is great myself.
>> Some people seem to live on carping about what something lacks, instead
>> of learning to use and enjoying what it has.
>> It's that old glass half empty or glass half full thing.
>> They should chill out, take an antidepressant or something.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/29/2013 7:40 AM, jinseng at yandex.ru wrote:
>>> Ivan didn't reply nor to Reaperians niether to his russian mates if they
>>> ask him about ReaAccess. Russian website of Reaccess is frosen. I didn't
>>> succede trying to know news about reoganised ReaAccess crew in Russia. 
>>> So
>>> everybody is free to start ReaAccess again. By the way, the name of our
>>> project was invented by Scott so if Moscow guys wish to continue they 
>>> can
>>> choose new name, it doesn't matter though.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jinseng.
>>>
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