[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Wed May 29 12:04:19 EDT 2013

I don't really get it, why don't folks who love sonar just leave the 
Reaper forum for folks who want to learn reaper, and go off and enjoy 
using Sonar?
Could it be that they are terrified of losing what little Sonar related 
business they still have, and realize that poor old sonar is already 
dead since 2 generations ago.
They're fault finding about Reaper, hoping against hope to scare off 
potential new users; but don't seem to remember how many times their 
sonar crashed, lost data, whole projects, how lame V-vocal is compared 
to AutoTune, what a failure Cakewalk's auto mapping scheme for control 
surfaces was.
Huge, ponderous Sonar is to Reaper what NVDA is to JFW or Wineyes 7.
But, despite themselves, if they actually learn to run Reaper, they'll 
be seduced into loving it, so they'd better look out!
Indi

On 5/29/2013 7:51 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> It's still that way to this day. While they have some *entry level* price point stuff bult in china now, the bulk of  their line is still built like a tank somewhere in mississippi.
>
> Re: Automation. Reaper isn't the only  Daw where you  have have to use another action to write automation to the end. Other DAWS have done it taht way too, and depending on your workflow can be a pro or con. However given that you are used to sonar's way of doing things, I understand your frustration.
>
> On Windows with master track selected under the view menu, does the master track not show up in the tracklist so you can change its routing using reaper 4? It seems SWS and more specifically ReaConsole should help get around some of the shortcommings of reaaccess and provide a faster overall workflow in general as well. Yeah but thats something else to learn, but may be worth the day or so to get fimilar with it if you can spare it.
> On May 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>
>> Back in the day peavey gear was the workin man's gear that just kept on going no matter how badly you abused it.
>>
>> I think that's why my knees are shot now man, I ligged many a cs1200 up a back bar-room stair case.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
>>> I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
>>> At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still hear it, but could also hear my speech.
>>> Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
>>> Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
>>> I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
>>> After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
>>> Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to numPad and left click it there.
>>> A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
>>> Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
>>> Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
>>> Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
>>> Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
>>> I selected  a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off severely or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
>>> Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a control on your control surface.
>>> Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll hear an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on track 1.
>>> If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down and press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected  parameter to that control.
>>> If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters; and you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
>>> Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the latest offerings from China.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have bound
>>>> a CC to an action,  but that's all.
>>>>
>>>> About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a
>>>> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It
>>>> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter number,
>>>> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
>>>> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
>>>> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.
>>>>
>>>> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>>>>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>>>>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>>>>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be used.
>>>>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned now,
>>>>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>>>>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume change
>>>>> from wiggling that control?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>>>>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>>>>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>>>>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>>>>> midi info you have.
>>>>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as you
>>>>>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>>>>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>>>>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums only
>>>>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it work.
>>>>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>>>>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from anything
>>>>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of quality
>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with great
>>>>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>>>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in the
>>>>>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>>>>>> configuring it.
>>>>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>>>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi data
>>>>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd look
>>>>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old groove
>>>>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for next
>>>>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with touch
>>>>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this one
>>>>>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me on
>>>>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole stuff
>>>>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg Nano
>>>>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly afford
>>>>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they be
>>>>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions can;
>>>>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post was a
>>>>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT across
>>>>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and a
>>>>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of the
>>>>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it aint
>>>>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer, then
>>>>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable into
>>>>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs; I've
>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything from
>>>>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to run.
>>>>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine are
>>>>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 64
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to match
>>>>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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