[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed May 29 08:54:33 EDT 2013 

I'm going to have to bite the bullet and install sws and have a look.

If others are having success with it, it's something we need to see if it 
works for us or if it's just another well, it's theoretically possible
but not done yet.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files


> Nope, even with master track selected in the view menu, ReaAccess is
> oblivious to its existance. I'm assuming you can get at the master
> with VO on Mac then, right?
>
> Out of curiosity, I checked whether ReaConsole could adjust I/O for
> the master. Bad news is that it doesn't seem to be able to. Good news
> is that the functionality definitely exists in Reaper's API, so I'll
> drop the SWS developer a note and ask him to implement that
> functionality. One more workaround for version 4 can't be a bad thing
> can it.
>
> Scott
>
> On 5/29/13, TheOreoMonster <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's still that way to this day. While they have some *entry level* price
>> point stuff bult in china now, the bulk of  their line is still built 
>> like a
>> tank somewhere in mississippi.
>>
>> Re: Automation. Reaper isn't the only  Daw where you  have have to use
>> another action to write automation to the end. Other DAWS have done it 
>> taht
>> way too, and depending on your workflow can be a pro or con. However 
>> given
>> that you are used to sonar's way of doing things, I understand your
>> frustration.
>>
>> On Windows with master track selected under the view menu, does the 
>> master
>> track not show up in the tracklist so you can change its routing using
>> reaper 4? It seems SWS and more specifically ReaConsole should help get
>> around some of the shortcommings of reaaccess and provide a faster 
>> overall
>> workflow in general as well. Yeah but thats something else to learn, but 
>> may
>> be worth the day or so to get fimilar with it if you can spare it.
>> On May 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day peavey gear was the workin man's gear that just kept on
>>> going no matter how badly you abused it.
>>>
>>> I think that's why my knees are shot now man, I ligged many a cs1200 up 
>>> a
>>> back bar-room stair case.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>> I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
>>>> I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
>>>> At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still 
>>>> hear
>>>> it, but could also hear my speech.
>>>> Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
>>>> Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
>>>> I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
>>>> After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
>>>> Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to
>>>> numPad and left click it there.
>>>> A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
>>>> Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
>>>> Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
>>>> Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
>>>> Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
>>>> I selected  a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off 
>>>> severely
>>>> or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
>>>> Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a
>>>> control on your control surface.
>>>> Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll 
>>>> hear
>>>> an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on track 1.
>>>> If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down
>>>> and press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected  parameter
>>>> to that control.
>>>> If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters; 
>>>> and
>>>> you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
>>>> Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the
>>>> latest offerings from China.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>> Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have
>>>>> bound
>>>>> a CC to an action,  but that's all.
>>>>>
>>>>> About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a
>>>>> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It
>>>>> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter 
>>>>> number,
>>>>> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
>>>>> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
>>>>> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.
>>>>>
>>>>> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>>>>>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>>>>>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>>>>>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be
>>>>>> used.
>>>>>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned 
>>>>>> now,
>>>>>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>>>>>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume 
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> from wiggling that control?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>>>>>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>>>>>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>>>>>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>>>>>> midi info you have.
>>>>>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>>>>>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>>>>>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>>>>>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from 
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>>>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of
>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>>>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>>>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with
>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>>>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>>>>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>>>>>>> configuring it.
>>>>>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>>>>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi
>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>>>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd
>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old
>>>>>>>> groove
>>>>>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for 
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>>>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>>>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>>>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with
>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole
>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg
>>>>>>>>> Nano
>>>>>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly 
>>>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions
>>>>>>>>>> can;
>>>>>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post 
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT
>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it
>>>>>>>>>>> aint
>>>>>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable
>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs;
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to
>>>>>>>>>>>> run.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> match
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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