[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed May 29 08:50:07 EDT 2013 

Problem is we have so few folks who are up to speed with reaper, but slowly 
changing.

Hey, I do this for a living, so if reaper is the future of what we will use, 
I'll spend the time to learn it.

It's already a great secondary tool for me,
and I am used to using lots of different things, jaws, window-eyes nvda, 
windows xp windows 7,
sonar reaper, studio recorder, goldwave, soundforge, and lots of different 
plugs, where I put my energies will largely
depend on what happens in the sonar camp too.

And what my paying students want and need.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files


> It's still that way to this day. While they have some *entry level* price 
> point stuff bult in china now, the bulk of  their line is still built like 
> a tank somewhere in mississippi.
>
> Re: Automation. Reaper isn't the only  Daw where you  have have to use 
> another action to write automation to the end. Other DAWS have done it 
> taht way too, and depending on your workflow can be a pro or con. However 
> given that you are used to sonar's way of doing things, I understand your 
> frustration.
>
> On Windows with master track selected under the view menu, does the master 
> track not show up in the tracklist so you can change its routing using 
> reaper 4? It seems SWS and more specifically ReaConsole should help get 
> around some of the shortcommings of reaaccess and provide a faster overall 
> workflow in general as well. Yeah but thats something else to learn, but 
> may be worth the day or so to get fimilar with it if you can spare it.
> On May 29, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>
>> Back in the day peavey gear was the workin man's gear that just kept on 
>> going no matter how badly you abused it.
>>
>> I think that's why my knees are shot now man, I ligged many a cs1200 up a 
>> back bar-room stair case.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
>>> I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
>>> At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still hear 
>>> it, but could also hear my speech.
>>> Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
>>> Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
>>> I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
>>> After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
>>> Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to 
>>> numPad and left click it there.
>>> A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
>>> Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
>>> Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
>>> Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
>>> Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
>>> I selected  a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off 
>>> severely or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
>>> Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a 
>>> control on your control surface.
>>> Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll 
>>> hear an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on track 
>>> 1.
>>> If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down 
>>> and press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected  parameter 
>>> to that control.
>>> If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters; 
>>> and you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
>>> Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the 
>>> latest offerings from China.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have 
>>>> bound
>>>> a CC to an action,  but that's all.
>>>>
>>>> About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a
>>>> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It
>>>> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter number,
>>>> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
>>>> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
>>>> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.
>>>>
>>>> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>>>>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>>>>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>>>>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be 
>>>>> used.
>>>>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned now,
>>>>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>>>>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume change
>>>>> from wiggling that control?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>>>>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>>>>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>>>>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>>>>> midi info you have.
>>>>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>>>>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>>>>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums 
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it 
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>>>>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from anything
>>>>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of 
>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with 
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>>>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in the
>>>>>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>>>>>> configuring it.
>>>>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>>>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi 
>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd 
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old 
>>>>>>> groove
>>>>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for next
>>>>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with 
>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this 
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me 
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole 
>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg 
>>>>>>>> Nano
>>>>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly afford
>>>>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they 
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions 
>>>>>>>>> can;
>>>>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post was 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT 
>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it 
>>>>>>>>>> aint
>>>>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer, 
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable 
>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs; 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything 
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to 
>>>>>>>>>>> run.
>>>>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit 
>>>>>>>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 64
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> match
>>>>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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