[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed May 29 01:30:01 EDT 2013 

Back in the day peavey gear was the workin man's gear that just kept on 
going no matter how badly you abused it.

I think that's why my knees are shot now man, I ligged many a cs1200 up a 
back bar-room stair case.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files


> Hi Jim,
> I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
> I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
> At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still hear 
> it, but could also hear my speech.
> Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
> Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
> I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
> After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
> Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to 
> numPad and left click it there.
> A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
> Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
> Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
> Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
> Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
> I selected  a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off severely 
> or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
> Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a 
> control on your control surface.
> Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll hear 
> an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on track 1.
> If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down and 
> press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected  parameter to 
> that control.
> If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters; and 
> you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
> Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the latest 
> offerings from China.
> Indi
>
> On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have bound
>> a CC to an action,  but that's all.
>>
>> About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a
>> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It
>> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter number,
>> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
>> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
>> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.
>>
>> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>
>>
>>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be 
>>> used.
>>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned now,
>>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume change
>>> from wiggling that control?
>>>
>>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>>> midi info you have.
>>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as you
>>>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums only
>>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it work.
>>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from anything
>>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of quality
>>>>> gear.
>>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with great
>>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in the
>>>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>>> series.
>>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>>>> configuring it.
>>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi data
>>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd look
>>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old groove
>>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for next
>>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with touch
>>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this one
>>>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me on
>>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole stuff
>>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg Nano
>>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly afford
>>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they be
>>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions can;
>>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post was a
>>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT across
>>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and a
>>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of the
>>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it aint
>>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer, then
>>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable into
>>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs; I've
>>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything from
>>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to run.
>>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit windows.
>>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine are
>>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 64
>>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit reaper
>>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to match
>>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS actions
>>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that will
>>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, but
>>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
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