[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Wed May 29 01:12:45 EDT 2013 

Hi Jim,
I tried Midi Learn on effects like this:
I inserted a media file, a pop song, on track 1.
At the tab key I lowered its volume to minus 27db, so I could still hear 
it, but could also hear my speech.
Press ctrl+R to make the music track loop continuously.
Press F to go to effects view and load an effects plug.
I loaded ReaE Q, so I could easily hear big roll offs of highs.
After loading ReaEQ, tab down to Param.
Press enter on Param; or if it doesn't react to enter; route Param to 
numPad and left click it there.
A list displays with No Recently Touched Parameters at the top.
Down arrow to Effects Parameter List F.
Right arrow and find: Learn SubMenu L.
Right arrow again and you get a list of parameters for ReaEQ.
Down arrow to any parameter you choose for controlling.
I selected  a high shelf, so I could hear the high hats roll off 
severely or brighten as I move the control surface fader.
Press enter on a likely parameter and you hear directions to wiggle a 
control on your control surface.
Hopefully, some part of those NRPN mmessages can be used; and you'll 
hear an equalizer change in the music that's still playing back on track 1.
If your Peavey knobs or faders work to control the parameter; tab down 
and press enter on OK to keep the assignment of the selected  parameter 
to that control.
If it works, repeat for all the Peavey controls and ReaEQ parameters; 
and you have a controller map for ReaEQ.
Good luck, I'll bet the Peavey is built like a tank compared to the 
latest offerings from China.
Indi

On 5/28/2013 9:15 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have bound
> a CC to an action,  but that's all.
>
> About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a
> series of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It
> sends the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter number,
> then the first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
> Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
> That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.
>
> So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>
>
>> I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would
>> that keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
>> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi
>> CC's, maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be used.
>> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned now,
>> and you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by
>> midi learn at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume change
>> from wiggling that control?
>>
>> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you
>> don't want sent out of the Peavey?
>> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a
>> really configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey
>> midi info you have.
>> Just blind stabs in the dark,
>> Indi
>>
>> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as you
>>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums only
>>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it work.
>>> With no answers discovered yet.
>>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from anything
>>>> except a hardware control.
>>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of quality
>>>> gear.
>>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with great
>>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in the
>>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro
>>>> series.
>>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>>> configuring it.
>>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi data
>>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd look
>>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old groove
>>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for next
>>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with touch
>>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this one
>>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me on
>>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole stuff
>>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg Nano
>>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly afford
>>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they be
>>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions can;
>>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post was a
>>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT across
>>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and a
>>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of the
>>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it aint
>>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer, then
>>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable into
>>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs; I've
>>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything from
>>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to run.
>>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit windows.
>>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine are
>>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 64
>>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit reaper
>>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to match
>>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS actions
>>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that will
>>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, but
>>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
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