[RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

Tue May 28 21:15:47 EDT 2013

Indigo,  where is the Midi Learn thing you mentioned done?  I have bound a 
CC to an action,  but that's all.

About NRPN messages,  it is nt' a singel controller message.  It is a series 
of 4 different messages, to move the control by one click.  It sends the 
first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter number,  then the 
first 8 bits, then the second 8 bits of the parameter value.
Each control on the Studio mix is a different parameter.
That's a pretty well known, fairly inefficient  protocol.

So again, where do I find the Midi Learn thing?
Thanks a lot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files

>I don't know enough about nrpn to say anything about that, but would that 
>keep the Peavey controls from being assigned by midi learn?
> I don't know that unit, maybe it's not transmitting the usual midi CC's, 
> maybe they're all system exclusive  messages that couldn't be used.
> If they're all sending out different messages as they're assigned now, and 
> you assign whatever message a control is sending to volume; by midi learn 
> at the Reaper end of things, maybe you'd hear volume change from wiggling 
> that control?
>
> Also, maybe Reaper has a midi filter that can filter out what you don't 
> want sent out of the Peavey?
> Everything in Reaper tends to be configurable, so maybe it has a really 
> configurable midi filter that you can define with the Peavey midi info you 
> have.
> Just blind stabs in the dark,
> Indi
>
> On 5/27/2013 9:01 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> Yeah, I know about the old control surface problem.  I have one, as you
>> know.  The problem is interfacing it.
>> So far, I can't figure out how to get Reaper to decode NRPN midi
>> messages. It's not a single controller.  My hunting on the forums only
>> turns up, hey, I have a Peavey studio mix, and how can I make it work.
>> With no answers discovered yet.
>> Still hunting,   if you ever notice such, let me know.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Question about downloading SWS files
>>
>>
>>> I'm in total agreement, I'd not worry about automating from anything
>>> except a hardware control.
>>> If I didn't want to spend much, I'd rather buy a used piece of quality
>>> gear.
>>> I had a Korg NanoKontrol and couldn't bear the flimsyness, and the
>>> Korg editor is totally inaccessible.
>>> There are so many old hardware control surfaces out there, with great
>>> quality controls, and some last a very long time.
>>> Edirol made crappy quality control surfaces for several models,like
>>> the PCR-30, PCR-50, PCR-80; PCR-M1;  but finally got it right in the
>>> later PCR-300/500/800  series, same as the Roland Cakewalk A Pro series.
>>> My PCR-300 is wonderfully reliable,and has an accessible editor for
>>> configuring it.
>>> Any of those Made in Japan Roland or Yamaha, or Korg units from the
>>> 1990's that has a couple of assignable faders that transmit midi data
>>> would do great, and cost very little.
>>> It doesn't need to be something as large as a midi keyboard, I'd look
>>> for an old hardware sequencer with assignable faders, or an old groove
>>> machine, or many older models of control surfaces that sell for next
>>> to nothing on eBay.
>>> In preferences midi device, Reaper will recognize midi controller
>>> messages from anything that transmits
>>> I'll bet an iPod or iPad with a midi interface could do it; with touch
>>> gestures; so you'd feel like a magician. smile.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2013 7:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>> Not sure as i havent tried it yet. Scott may know better on this one
>>>> as hes been using them longer  than i and is the one who turned me on
>>>> to them. It doesnt appear to have a way to automate reaconsole stuff
>>>> which is the bulk of what i use. Though something like the Korg Nano
>>>> Kontrol is stupid cheap enough that most of us could probbly afford
>>>> to keep one around if we do automation alot.
>>>>
>>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, OreoMonster,
>>>>> Installation of the 32 bit SWS files went without a hitch in XP.
>>>>> I'm already experimenting with them.
>>>>> I'm wondering if they can ever be automated; and if so, can they be
>>>>> automated by all the different means that native Reaper actions can;
>>>>> like on screen faders, control surfaces, etcetera.
>>>>> I noticed that when Jim Snowbarger tried to use Zenaki's Nudge
>>>>> Volume Up by 1db increments, I'm improvising its exact title; Jim
>>>>> said it didn't write automation data to the volume envelope.
>>>>> I also read that same thing on a Cockos forum, though the post was a
>>>>> couple years old.
>>>>> Do you know if Xenaki actions and SWS actions can now be made to
>>>>> write automation data; or used as a part of a custom action that
>>>>> writes automation data?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/25/2013 12:21 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> Let us know how the  installation goes as i am using 64 BIT across
>>>>>> the board so can't comment. The steleath browser while providing
>>>>>> privacy, problaby doesn't do all that much more for security.
>>>>>> Nothing is  100% virus proof, things can be made more robust and a
>>>>>> lot more secure though. Personally i never had any issues when
>>>>>> using windows 7 for a DAW machine and much preferred it to XP.
>>>>>> Also since XP is 32 bit OS, its not taking as much advantage of the
>>>>>> 3 or 4GB of ram as you may think it is. But if it works and it aint
>>>>>> broken, keep on keeping on I say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'm hoping I can download 32 bit SWS files on a 64 bit
>>>>>>> online computer; for use on my 32 bit off line daw.
>>>>>>> This online computer is running 64 bit Win7.
>>>>>>> I'll try downloading the SWS files with the 64 bit installer, then
>>>>>>> take what I get to my daw on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>> If I absolutely have no choice, I can plug the ethernet cable into
>>>>>>> the daw just to download the proper SWS files.
>>>>>>> For a while I ran a stealth  browser, on my daw when I
>>>>>>> occasionally needed to download files, or register programs; I've
>>>>>>> forgotten its name, but it was said to not send out anything from
>>>>>>> your computer, even the chip ID.
>>>>>>> It was just barely accessible, with a fair amount of work to run.
>>>>>>> I was never sure if it provided any advantage against virus
>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win7 64 is certainly more robust than XP ever was; and survives
>>>>>>> much longer online without virus infection.
>>>>>>> I love the stability of XP for music making though, and 3 or 4
>>>>>>> gigs of ram is plenty for me.
>>>>>>> I have wondered if hardware barriers like the Barracuta really
>>>>>>> provide hundred percent protection.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2013 10:58 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>> if your offline daw is running 32 bit reaper with 32 bit windows.
>>>>>>>> Use the 32 bit installer on that one. On your online machine are
>>>>>>>> u using 32 bit reaper or 64 bit reaper? If 64 bit reaper wit 64
>>>>>>>> bit windows 7 then 64 bit installer. If using the 32 bit reaper
>>>>>>>> on win 7 64 bit not sure which way that goes, if sws has to match
>>>>>>>> your reaper version or windows version.
>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When at the SWS website, I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit
>>>>>>>>> installer, but don't know which to use.
>>>>>>>>> My 32 bit daw is off line, and I'will be using the SWS actions
>>>>>>>>> for that, so do I try to install the 32 bit installer in this
>>>>>>>>> online computer, or just install the 64 bit installer to be
>>>>>>>>> appropriate for the Windows 7 64 operating system; then go to
>>>>>>>>> the SWS website and try to download 32 bit SWS actions that will
>>>>>>>>> run in my 32 bit daw?
>>>>>>>>> I hope I stated it clearly, the online computer is 64 bit, but
>>>>>>>>> the off line daw with Reaper is 32 bits.
>>>>>>>>> So, which SWS install file do I use?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
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