[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:23:24 EDT 2013

It's nice when something half way decent but inexpensive stays around a 
while obviously people liked these enough and they sold enough to not quit 
making them.

I should pick me up one before they go away which they eventually will, it 
never fails.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper

>I bought both of mine for $59 a piece two years ago. I didn't know they 
>were ever more than that. Good to know I didn't get ripped, I guess.
>
> On 5/28/2013 4:05 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Hey Patrick, I recommend those for my students,
>> that are using little mixers for line level recording, paired with one
>> of the entry level mackie mixers, is a decent little rig indeed.
>>
>> And the price has dropped on them a lot from 89 dollars a few years ago
>> to 59 everywhere,
>> so you just can't really go wrong.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>
>>
>>> Correction: the pre is nothing wonderful. That's right, one mic preamp
>>> without phantom power, and one instrument input, which also pretty
>>> well sucks. The actual line level inputs, however, are very nice
>>> indeed, much better than I would have thought for the price. Even not
>>> taking that into consideration, I've seen a few slightly more
>>> expensive interfaces that just aren't as clean as the Alpha for basic
>>> line input/output. It's the cheapest thing I know of with TRS balanced
>>> I/O. It's one of those interfaces that I would never use as a first
>>> choice, but if something bad happened to everything else I had, I
>>> could get by for a while. I bought two of them. I think those boxes
>>> don't get enough credit for what they are.
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2013 3:09 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb
>>>> which is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and 
>>>> quad
>>>> capture were decent.
>>>>
>>>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device,
>>>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the driver
>>>> have to be considered.
>>>>
>>>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>>>
>>>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good 
>>>> results
>>>> with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the pres are
>>>> nothing wonderful.
>>>>
>>>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>>>
>>>> And its
>>>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day, 
>>>> couldn't
>>>> get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go
>>>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just 
>>>> love
>>>> these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and offers a
>>>> lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per control and 
>>>> no
>>>> inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done better if it was
>>>> purposely made for us.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>>>
>>>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>>>
>>>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd
>>>> stay away from avid products,
>>>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" 
>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think your right lol.
>>>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic
>>>>> single track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue
>>>>> being discussed.
>>>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio interface?
>>>>> There are so many models on the market now with the explosion of home
>>>>> based recording that sometimes it's hard to know what to get.
>>>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB
>>>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality
>>>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>>>> What others might I look at?
>>>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard
>>>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like
>>>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily
>>>>> switch it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the netbook
>>>>> or the desktop and I don't really want to invest in any firewire cards
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware
>>>>> it's limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would
>>>>> handle my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one
>>>>> (it's a rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring it
>>>>> home and use it.
>>>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Colin
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" 
>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro
>>>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the
>>>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct
>>>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like having
>>>>>>> a short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences
>>>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment
>>>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no
>>>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to
>>>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and
>>>>>>> there is no difference between having 0's in those fields and
>>>>>>> putting any type of number in there.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box
>>>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else
>>>>>>> that I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual
>>>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept
>>>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo
>>>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too
>>>>>>> far or not far enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>
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