[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:21:19 EDT 2013

Only one pair of returns from the daw isn't as limiting as you might think 
as I've done it that way for years doing all my bussing and routing in the 
daw itself.

It's nice to have extra outs to dump stuff back through the board for analog 
niceness and when you need to bounce stuff of different sampling rates and 
such analog sure makes it easier, the dithering problems and matching 
hardware goes away, just hook it up and blow and go.

Say I got a 96k 24 bit process  I want to dump to 44.1 to my delta card, 
just assign a couple of subs and apply the eq I want and away we go.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper

> and this limits the use of DAW based fx plug ins to one stereo plug in 
> right?
> Presumably the 1640I would offer at least two stereo returns back to each 
> channel?
> Remember, the equivalent conventional board only offers a single stereo 
> return as well...so they probably try to keep things fairly similar across 
> the diffferent levels...
>
> Regards
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>
>
>> All of the Mackie Onyx boards let you record from individual channels. 
>> However only the 1640I gives you more than a singlr stereo return from 
>> the DAW back to channels.
>>
>> On 5/28/2013 3:50 AM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>> so are the onyx interfaces full multi-track? as aposed to some of the
>>> other boards that have a stereo USB output that lets you record the main
>>> mix or assigned channels etc, but not each channel as it's own track
>>> like on the dedicated firewire interfaces..
>>> the 1640I and 820I are priced similar to the conventional mackie 8x2 and
>>> 16x4 audio mixers.
>>> good stuff thanks for the recommendations.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Colin
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb
>>>> which is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and
>>>> quad capture were decent.
>>>>
>>>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device,
>>>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the
>>>> driver have to be considered.
>>>>
>>>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>>>
>>>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good
>>>> results with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the
>>>> pres are nothing wonderful.
>>>>
>>>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>>>
>>>> And its
>>>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day,
>>>> couldn't get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go
>>>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just
>>>> love these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and
>>>> offers a lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per
>>>> control and no inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done
>>>> better if it was purposely made for us.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>>>
>>>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>>>
>>>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd
>>>> stay away from avid products,
>>>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" 
>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think your right lol.
>>>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic
>>>>> single track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue
>>>>> being discussed.
>>>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio
>>>>> interface? There are so many models on the market now with the
>>>>> explosion of home based recording that sometimes it's hard to know
>>>>> what to get.
>>>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB
>>>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality
>>>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>>>> What others might I look at?
>>>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard
>>>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like
>>>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily
>>>>> switch it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the
>>>>> netbook or the desktop and I don't really want to invest in any
>>>>> firewire cards etc.
>>>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware
>>>>> it's limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would
>>>>> handle my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one
>>>>> (it's a rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring
>>>>> it home and use it.
>>>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Colin
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" 
>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro
>>>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the
>>>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct
>>>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like
>>>>>>> having a short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences
>>>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment
>>>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no
>>>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to
>>>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and
>>>>>>> there is no difference between having 0's in those fields and
>>>>>>> putting any type of number in there.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box
>>>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else
>>>>>>> that I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual
>>>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept
>>>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo
>>>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too
>>>>>>> far or not far enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>
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