[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:18:35 EDT 2013

See my other email you get 16 back and lots of routing options.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper

> and this limits the use of DAW based fx plug ins to one stereo plug in 
> right?
> Presumably the 1640I would offer at least two stereo returns back to each 
> channel?
> Remember, the equivalent conventional board only offers a single stereo 
> return as well...so they probably try to keep things fairly similar across 
> the diffferent levels...
>
> Regards
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>
>
>> All of the Mackie Onyx boards let you record from individual channels. 
>> However only the 1640I gives you more than a singlr stereo return from 
>> the DAW back to channels.
>>
>> On 5/28/2013 3:50 AM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>> so are the onyx interfaces full multi-track? as aposed to some of the
>>> other boards that have a stereo USB output that lets you record the main
>>> mix or assigned channels etc, but not each channel as it's own track
>>> like on the dedicated firewire interfaces..
>>> the 1640I and 820I are priced similar to the conventional mackie 8x2 and
>>> 16x4 audio mixers.
>>> good stuff thanks for the recommendations.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Colin
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb
>>>> which is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and
>>>> quad capture were decent.
>>>>
>>>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device,
>>>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the
>>>> driver have to be considered.
>>>>
>>>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>>>
>>>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good
>>>> results with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the
>>>> pres are nothing wonderful.
>>>>
>>>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>>>
>>>> And its
>>>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day,
>>>> couldn't get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go
>>>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just
>>>> love these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and
>>>> offers a lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per
>>>> control and no inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done
>>>> better if it was purposely made for us.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>>>
>>>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>>>
>>>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd
>>>> stay away from avid products,
>>>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" 
>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think your right lol.
>>>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic
>>>>> single track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue
>>>>> being discussed.
>>>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio
>>>>> interface? There are so many models on the market now with the
>>>>> explosion of home based recording that sometimes it's hard to know
>>>>> what to get.
>>>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB
>>>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality
>>>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>>>> What others might I look at?
>>>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard
>>>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like
>>>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily
>>>>> switch it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the
>>>>> netbook or the desktop and I don't really want to invest in any
>>>>> firewire cards etc.
>>>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware
>>>>> it's limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would
>>>>> handle my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one
>>>>> (it's a rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring
>>>>> it home and use it.
>>>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Colin
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" 
>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro
>>>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the
>>>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct
>>>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like
>>>>>>> having a short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences
>>>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment
>>>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no
>>>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to
>>>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and
>>>>>>> there is no difference between having 0's in those fields and
>>>>>>> putting any type of number in there.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box
>>>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else
>>>>>>> that I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual
>>>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept
>>>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo
>>>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too
>>>>>>> far or not far enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>
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