[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:13:59 EDT 2013

Oh yes, you get all descrete inputs with all the onyx i series boards, the 
big difference with the lesser mackie interfaces is that everything up to 
the 1640i only gives you a single pair of outputs or returns from your daw, 
but the 1640i gives you a full 16 in and 16 out for real analog mixing 
goodness.

The eq and everything on these boards are real analog circuits, not digital 
so you get all the goodness of that too and the perkins eq is sweet indeed.

YOu can do a lot with 16 returns from your daw, route effects in the same 
way your would a hardware box, or you have the option for 4 extra sub mixes 
besides your stereo mix down, you've got fantom power separate on each 
channel, and direct boxes on the first 2, lots of the same stuff on the 
lesser boards too, just not the multiple returns from the daw.

This board makes my life super easy I can send stuff anywhere, and I have 3 
soundcards in my daw, including a hardware speech device so when I'm 
tutoring on the phone, or doing remote things, or need to record lots of 
separate sources or get quick headphone mixes, it's a no briner.

It's more fun to turn up an aux send for someone in the room who wants more 
whatever than to play about with an inaccessible control pannel.

But people are weird, they'd rather save a little money, and spend endless 
time fussing about wasting time and not getting anything done.
trying to wrestle inaccessible control pannels in to some state of 
obedience, and then ofcourse hsc sets are developed, but a driver change 
revission breaks everything, that's what happens to the focus rite stuff.

Patricks using the presonus live board, forget the exact model, and it's 
almost as accessible as the mackie, has more routing options, but certain 
things in the control pannel aren't accessible.

But it's got onboard fx and all kinds of stuff.

If you like sinple but a good amount of tracking hardware at 24/96 and the 
board also works in stand alone mode like any regular board, has talk back 
and line and mic inputs on all channels, your golden.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper

> so are the onyx interfaces full multi-track? as aposed to some of the 
> other boards that have a stereo USB output that lets you record the main 
> mix or assigned channels etc, but not each channel as it's own track like 
> on the dedicated firewire interfaces..
> the 1640I and 820I are priced similar to the conventional mackie 8x2 and 
> 16x4 audio mixers.
> good stuff thanks for the recommendations.
>
> Regards
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>
>
>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb which 
>> is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and quad 
>> capture were decent.
>>
>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device, 
>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the driver 
>> have to be considered.
>>
>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>
>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good results 
>> with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the pres are 
>> nothing wonderful.
>>
>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>
>> And its
>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day, couldn't 
>> get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>
>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go 
>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just love 
>> these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and offers a 
>> lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per control and no 
>> inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done better if it was 
>> purposely made for us.
>>
>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>
>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>
>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd stay 
>> away from avid products,
>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>
>>
>>>I think your right lol.
>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic single 
>>> track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue being 
>>> discussed.
>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio interface? 
>>> There are so many models on the market now with the explosion of home 
>>> based recording that sometimes it's hard to know what to get.
>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB 
>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality 
>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>> What others might I look at?
>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard 
>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like 
>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily switch 
>>> it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the netbook or the 
>>> desktop and I don't really want to invest in any firewire cards etc.
>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware it's 
>>> limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would handle 
>>> my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one (it's a 
>>> rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring it home and 
>>> use it.
>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Colin
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>
>>>
>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro 
>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the 
>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct 
>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like having a 
>>>>> short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences 
>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment 
>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no 
>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to 
>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and there 
>>>>> is no difference between having 0's in those fields and putting any 
>>>>> type of number in there.
>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box 
>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else that 
>>>>> I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual 
>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept 
>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo 
>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too far 
>>>>> or not far enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Colin
>>>>>
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