[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:10:53 EDT 2013

I bought both of mine for $59 a piece two years ago. I didn't know they 
were ever more than that. Good to know I didn't get ripped, I guess.

On 5/28/2013 4:05 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> Hey Patrick, I recommend those for my students,
> that are using little mixers for line level recording, paired with one
> of the entry level mackie mixers, is a decent little rig indeed.
>
> And the price has dropped on them a lot from 89 dollars a few years ago
> to 59 everywhere,
> so you just can't really go wrong.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>
>
>> Correction: the pre is nothing wonderful. That's right, one mic preamp
>> without phantom power, and one instrument input, which also pretty
>> well sucks. The actual line level inputs, however, are very nice
>> indeed, much better than I would have thought for the price. Even not
>> taking that into consideration, I've seen a few slightly more
>> expensive interfaces that just aren't as clean as the Alpha for basic
>> line input/output. It's the cheapest thing I know of with TRS balanced
>> I/O. It's one of those interfaces that I would never use as a first
>> choice, but if something bad happened to everything else I had, I
>> could get by for a while. I bought two of them. I think those boxes
>> don't get enough credit for what they are.
>>
>> On 5/28/2013 3:09 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb
>>> which is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and quad
>>> capture were decent.
>>>
>>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device,
>>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the driver
>>> have to be considered.
>>>
>>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>>
>>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good results
>>> with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the pres are
>>> nothing wonderful.
>>>
>>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>>
>>> And its
>>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day, couldn't
>>> get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>>
>>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go
>>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just love
>>> these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and offers a
>>> lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per control and no
>>> inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done better if it was
>>> purposely made for us.
>>>
>>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>>
>>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>>
>>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd
>>> stay away from avid products,
>>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think your right lol.
>>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic
>>>> single track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue
>>>> being discussed.
>>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio interface?
>>>> There are so many models on the market now with the explosion of home
>>>> based recording that sometimes it's hard to know what to get.
>>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB
>>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality
>>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>>> What others might I look at?
>>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard
>>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like
>>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily
>>>> switch it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the netbook
>>>> or the desktop and I don't really want to invest in any firewire cards
>>>> etc.
>>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware
>>>> it's limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would
>>>> handle my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one
>>>> (it's a rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring it
>>>> home and use it.
>>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro
>>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald"
>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the
>>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct
>>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like having
>>>>>> a short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences
>>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment
>>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no
>>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to
>>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and
>>>>>> there is no difference between having 0's in those fields and
>>>>>> putting any type of number in there.
>>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box
>>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else
>>>>>> that I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual
>>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept
>>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo
>>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too
>>>>>> far or not far enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>
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