[RWP] latency in reaper

Tue May 28 04:05:12 EDT 2013

Hey Patrick, I recommend those for my students,
that are using little mixers for line level recording, paired with one of 
the entry level mackie mixers, is a decent little rig indeed.

And the price has dropped on them a lot from 89 dollars a few years ago to 
59 everywhere,
so you just can't really go wrong.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper

> Correction: the pre is nothing wonderful. That's right, one mic preamp 
> without phantom power, and one instrument input, which also pretty well 
> sucks. The actual line level inputs, however, are very nice indeed, much 
> better than I would have thought for the price. Even not taking that into 
> consideration, I've seen a few slightly more expensive interfaces that 
> just aren't as clean as the Alpha for basic line input/output. It's the 
> cheapest thing I know of with TRS balanced I/O. It's one of those 
> interfaces that I would never use as a first choice, but if something bad 
> happened to everything else I had, I could get by for a while. I bought 
> two of them. I think those boxes don't get enough credit for what they 
> are.
>
> On 5/28/2013 3:09 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Not familiar with that one, but my wife has a presonus audiobox usb
>> which is pretty nice, and I have heard the roland units duo tri and quad
>> capture were decent.
>>
>> YOur not going to get much better than 10 ms with any usb device,
>> reported latency may say lower, but hidden safety buffers in the driver
>> have to be considered.
>>
>> And usb by it's very nature is the worst choice for audio.
>>
>> The lexicon alpha is the cheapest, and Patrick says he gets good results
>> with it as long as he runs it all balanced cables, but the pres are
>> nothing wonderful.
>>
>> The pres on the presonus are decent, it runs about 150 bucks.
>>
>> And its
>> control pannel is accessible but I noticed on w7 the other day, couldn't
>> get at the latency slider with nvda.
>>
>> If you want to spend a little more money and go firewire, you can't go
>> wrong with any of the mackie onyx i series board interfaces, I just love
>> these and own the 1640i but the 820 clocks in at 400 bucks and offers a
>> lot of routing and flexibility and one knob or switch per control and no
>> inaccessible control pannel, they couldn't have done better if it was
>> purposely made for us.
>>
>> Anyway, that's more board than you want though.
>>
>> I'd try the rolands if I were in your shoes.
>>
>> They made decent gear, and I used to like m-audio stuff, but now I'd
>> stay away from avid products,
>> they don't seem to be doing so well lately.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>
>>
>>> I think your right lol.
>>> I tend to use reaper mostly for mixing and some editing and basic
>>> single track recording etc...obviously mostly because of the issue
>>> being discussed.
>>> So, maybe everyone can pitch in here and recommend an audio interface?
>>> There are so many models on the market now with the explosion of home
>>> based recording that sometimes it's hard to know what to get.
>>> I am pretty versed in most of the multi-track firewire and some USB
>>> interfaces, but as for the simpler cheaper basic, but good quality
>>> models I'm not so sure.
>>> The lexicon alpha was mentioned.
>>> What others might I look at?
>>> I don't need multi-track, that is, multi input/output with onboard
>>> preamps and digital in/out etc.  I will eventually get something like
>>> that, but for now, I want something pretty simple and basic.
>>> Also, I would prefer something that is USB based so I can easily
>>> switch it between computers etc...I don't have firewire on the netbook
>>> or the desktop and I don't really want to invest in any firewire cards
>>> etc.
>>> Has anyone used the allen and Heath z10 unit with USB?  I am aware
>>> it's limited, but I wonder if it plays well with asio and if it would
>>> handle my current basic needs?  I ask because I have access to one
>>> (it's a rental being used for a practice PA) and I can easily bring it
>>> home and use it.
>>> Just a shot in the dark as it may well not be what I need.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Colin
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>
>>>
>>>> Save your self a lot of headaches and go get an inexpensive pro
>>>> oriented audio device with it's own asio driver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McDonald" 
>>>> <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:45 PM
>>>> Subject: [RWP] latency in reaper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well i switched to asio for all again as my audio driver and the
>>>>> latency definitely dropped to about half of what it was with direct
>>>>> sound or wdm or wav out...but it's still very apparent...like having
>>>>> a short slap back echo on everything.
>>>>> I went and tried to adjust the recording latency in the preferences
>>>>> under recording...there is an input, and output latency adjustment
>>>>> there, but no matter what I put in there, it made absolutely no
>>>>> difference.  Tried from posative and negative 10 all the way up to
>>>>> 200MS in all the fields, in different combinations etc etc, and
>>>>> there is no difference between having 0's in those fields and
>>>>> putting any type of number in there.
>>>>> Any thoughts guys?
>>>>> I turned off the automatically detect reported latency check box
>>>>> beside the edit fields.  Maybe there is something somewhere else
>>>>> that I have checked, or unchecked that is preventing these manual
>>>>> input/output adjustments from functioning correctly.
>>>>> I've done this same thing in audacity as I said, and I just kept
>>>>> changing the value by a few MS until there was zero slap back echo
>>>>> effect happening...you could really hear it change if you went too
>>>>> far or not far enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Colin
>>>>>
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