[RWP] autotuning in reaper?

[Indigo]

Steve Spamer's use of Reaper's Always on Top in the view menu probably 
would provide that standardized view that he feels AHK needs.
I was afraid of Always on Top keeping me from exploring a plug's 
interface directly with my Wineyes mouse pointer, but after experiencing 
Always on Top actually providing some access to a previously 
inaccessible plug while running NVDA; for me it's now another tool in 
the arsonel; when attempting to access.
The other half of Steve's standardized view for AHK; to change 
compatibility mode to show in a dedicated process didn't work so well 
for me.
I guess that one will be useful only when running an AHK script, and 
relying entirely on the AHK script.
Indi


On 5/26/2013 4:59 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Steve,
> You can definitely read .hsc files with AHK.
> It would be cool to write an HSC interpreter in AHK land.  I think
> reading the file is the eay part.  The harder part is finding the window
> you want when it doesn't have a title, and getting the boundaries of
> that window, so you can index with hS coordinates.
> I'm pretty sure all that is possible, and would be a wonderful way to
> capitalize on work already done.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Spamer"
> <steve at vipaudioaccess.com>
> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
>
> David, sounds as if you're doing a great job there, keep at it. It's not
> easy work and like you say, very frustrating at times!  We have big
> obstacles with the DAW and program we use, but in one respect, the bigger
> issue is understanding a plugs environment without being able to see it.  I
> made plenty of mistakes when doing Omnisphere, thinking I knew how things
> worked at the time, but slowly things come together...and that's hopefully
> what you're experiencing.  I remember thinking I'd cracked the categories,
> then found out only a certain amount are visible at a time and the user had
> to scroll to see the rest...oh gees, another 150+ categories popped
> up!...it
> was time to reassess and think again lol.
>
> Regarding feedback, and this depends on how far you're going to go with
> Omnisphere and AHK, I mean you will reach a point where knowing where you
> are in the plug is very important, the same with knowing whether or not a
> button is actave etc.  It's easy to get lost in a myriad of keystrokes,
> menus,  etc etc, so with screenreader feedback, we can keep on top of
> things
> without having to remember "if I press this, then that  etc"...
>
> I don't currently know of a way to  utilize NVDA's engine, but I'm sure I
> will some day, but for now I know how to call SAPI to report to me
> whether a
> control is on or off for example.  I think once the majority of tools we
> can
> use with AHK have been highlighted and become more familiar, then things
> could really pick up.  One thing that does intrigue me is that AHK can read
> /write files, so wondering what could be gleamed from existing HSC sets,
> probably too advanced for me lol, but you never know.
>
> One thing I do know though, is you have to do it for personal gain and
> enjoyment from a plug...as Jim has said, the work involved does not pay,
> but
> I can get a real buzz from a user who is working with a plug that they
> otherwise couldn't use...all down to what I've done...and in turn that's
> possible because of the god that's Jim Snowbarger, don't blush Jim lol.
> Cheers Steve.
> P.S. Yes, you're right 3 browsers, but don't forget the sound source
> browser
> has 1 for sound source A and 1 for sound source B, HTH.
> Visit:
> www.vipaudioaccess.com
> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and  to
> basically get involved!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of David P Shortland
> Sent: 26 May 2013 06:21
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
> Hi & Greetings from Sunday afternoon on the Sunshine Coast
>
> Okay firstly, if anyone has a problem with discussing AHK matters on this
> REAPER forum just say so and I will take it off list and talk to Steve
> directly.
>
> You are correct in saying that AHK is a complete programming environment
> and
>
> sometimes it just goes on and on with what it can do...
>
> The trouble is that with most programming environments the people who right
> them and then the subsequent documentation is actually written for
> programmers and not for us lesser mortals...*chuckle*. That is most of the
> examples they give, and I must say they give plenty of examples, just go
> right over my head. Mayhap, I am just a mere dummy...*chuckle*
>
> However, when it comes to my skills with AHK so far, and I may add, tis
> truly very minor in the grand scheme of things, I have been dabbling with
> colour matchingfor feedback concerning the browsers that I have been
> wanting
>
> to access. What this means is that when the browsers are open the screen is
> a certain colour in a specific location and that colour is different when
> the browser is closed. As I say, I am just dabbling and I am not sure if
> this is really what is necessary, but I can only do what I have been
> able to
>
> glean from the documentation.
>
> Actually I only thought there were three browsers, the first being the
> MultiBrowser, the second being the PatchBrowser and the third being the
> SampleWaveformBrowser.
>
> My current way of accessing the PatchBrowser is to of written my own
> browser
>
> which comes up in a window each category is in a drop down list and each
> menu item then gives rise to the next column/window and so on until you get
> down to your presets...
> I then have a co-ord that places me at the top of the Patch/Preset list
> which has been sorted as the windows do their thing... I can then use the
> normal cursor keys, up and down to navigate the list.
>
> My partner, bless her little cotton sox, has been my eyes for all testing,
> and sometimes had to endure my bursts of frustration as 9 times out of 10
> matters do not go as expected...
>
> In the back of my mind are the words ... Patience ... Persistance ...
> Patience ... Persistence...
>
> If this is really going to go anywhere, I need to start looking at setting
> some time aside just for AHK, but where in the 24 hours a day we are
> granted
>
> do I do that...
>
> Then there is STILL ...all the REAPER stuff....
>
> Take care all...
>
> David P Shortland
> DragonScore Productions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Spamer
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
> Well done David, nice to hear.  Just interested, but how are you getting
> feedback from AHK?  I'm working with AHK and SAPI at the moment, so
> wondering if you're using another approach or not bothering.  Omnisphere
> has
> a vast amount of windows and clicking in the wrong one could really bugger
> things up, like in the browsers...which browser have you made
> accessible, as
> there are 4 different browsers?  I'm tempted to dip into converting a set I
> have done with HSC, but I really need to grasp the core functions and nuts
> and bolts of AHK before doing so.
>
> I'm using a plug as a test bed for AHK and am pleased so far, but there's
> much to understand if I'm going to do things proprerly, at the moment it
> works, but I'm sure the code could be more efficient etc. It's all a
> learning curve...and time is the biggest killer, not having enough, well,
> not enough time for the learning to sink in and stick.
>
> I've been impressed with AHK and what it's possibilities are, but I don't
> yet have the skills to be able to utilize it, even if I have the ideas on
> how to achieve an objective.  It really is a programming environment...HSC
> has the specific and direct functions to work with, so reaching an
> objective
> is a matter of embracing virtually all of what it has to offer.  Also,
> don't
> forget having Mr Snowman's support is invaluable when problems are
> encountered, which is inevitable., Another thing is I've found the
> forums on
> AHK don't yield good results, unless you're asking something about  AHK
> which is complex...a simple question doesn't seem to get answered, well
> that's my experience so far.  One problem I'm experiencing, is it has so
> many aspects that are not relevant to us as VIP's and what we're trying to
> achieve, so it's a matter of understanding enough to know what is useful
> and
> what we need to concentrate on...and what we don't need to. Cheers Steve.
>
> Visit:
> www.vipaudioaccess.com
> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and  to
> basically get involved!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of David P Shortland
> Sent: 24 May 2013 21:26
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
> Hi & Greetings from The Sunshine Coast
>
> Omnisphere is completely inaccessable I believe for all ScreenReaders.
>
> I have been slowly putting together an AHK Set for this virtual synth, but
> unfortunately music production takes precedence over learning and writing
> AHK material.
>
> So far though, I can now access the browser with all its categories, the
> search field, and the program/preset list.., and have started work on the
> Parts Section...
>
> I must say though that Omnisphere is an incredible synth...
>
> Take care all
>
> David P Shortland
> DragonScore Productions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Perdue
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:46 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
> David:
> How are you using Omnisphere with System Access? I haven't tried it yet
> myself, though I want to, but I was under the impression that you
> couldn't do much without lots of hotspots from HSC.
>
> On 5/24/2013 4:40 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> That vst stability is something they may have finally addressed in the
>> later versions.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David P Shortland"
>> <dragamilov at comcen.com.au>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>>
>>
>> Hi & Greetings from Queensland
>>
>> Just to put the other side of the coin...
>>
>> I run REAPER 64 Version 4.402 on Windoes7 with System Access
>>
>> Never had any trouble whatsoever with REAPER not scanning any the VST
>> directories.
>>
>> I rund both 32 and 64 bit plugs and the only one REAPER has trouble with
>> has
>> been Dimension Pro....
>>
>>  From Spectrasonics Omnisphere to Alchemy, Garritan Personal Orchestra to
>> Ivory2 and even the Korg Legacy Collection all perform as expected...
>>
>> I can usually get Dimension Pro to work but I Have to do a little
>> AltTabbing
>> etc, to finally get the window to show properly, but once in place with
>> AHK
>> can effectively get to the Programs that it has
>>
>> And that is just the Virtual Synths... Nomad Factories Blue Tubes and
>> Tone2
>> WarmVerb a few Izotope plugs, plus several other 32bit fx plugs ... all
>> are
>> scanned and show up without hassle.
>>
>> Just as an aside, the computer that I use in my studio is dedicated to
>> music
>> production. I run System Access from a USB drive, but have installed
>> NVDA as
>> a BackUp.
>>
>> It never goes on the net, nor does it have any other programs that
>> need to
>> be there other than System Essentials...
>>
>> That's it
>>
>> Take care all
>>
>> David P Shortland
>> DragonScore Productions
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Belle
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:22 AM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>>
>> Another issue with reaper, which for all it's promise I always had
>> trouble
>> with the vst implementation, and plug-in scanning in general.
>>
>> Not as stable as we would like.
>>
>> But it's still early days for reaper.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>>
>>
>> I just pasted the GSnap dll into Reaper 64's VST destination folder;
>> which is Steinberg\VSTPlugins on this computer; , and; running NVDA; I
>> couldn't get Reaper 64 to even load GSnap.
>> I ran Reaper's Clear Cache Rescan several times; which is Reaper's  most
>> extreme method of forceing it to recognize a plug, no luck.
>> I couldn't find a 64 bit version of GSnap that's labeled as for 64 bit
>> Windows; unless maybe the plug is assumed to be for both 32 and 64 bits.
>> Online, I read forum posts from folks running GSnap in Reaper 64, so
>> don't understand why it won't load.
>> Thanks for any reports of your experience with it,
>> Indi
>>
>> On 5/21/2013 5:21 AM, Steve Spamer wrote:
>>> Regarding GSnap, Tim Burgess has an HSC file for it over at:
>>> http://www.raisedbar.net/articles.htm
>>> but not sure if it will be of any use, as most on here are NVDA users.
>>> Anyway, it may be handy, cheers
>>> Steve
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>>> Sent: 20 May 2013 23:43
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>>>
>>> I used GSnap with Window-Eyes in 32 bits.
>>> I suppose bridge intends to somehow bridge something to 64 bit
>>> windows 7.
>>> What did you do when bridge came up?
>>> Would none of it talk?
>>> Did you try route to focus numPad insert and the numpad -minus key?
>>> Did you try numPad insert and the 7 key?
>>> Sorry, NVDA doesn't cover everything, unfortunately.
>>> What's accessible in Wineyes or Jaws may not be, and vice versa.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/20/2013 4:33 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>>> Hi Indi,
>>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>> You mean gSnap is accessible' I just tried it and it came up with
>>>> something called gSnap bridge, which was a window that NVDA did not
>>>> recognize at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Oriol,
>>>>> The VST pitch-correcting plugs  here work, and are free.
>>>>> They're simpler than Antares AutoTune, but make the same Cher Effect,
>>>>> which I also like very much.
>>>>> The top free plug on the list definitely is accessible, and I think
>>>>> the
>>>>> second on the list is also, but it's been a while since I tried it.
>>>>> Don't know if scripts are available, or needed; since they're very
>>> simple.
>>>>> They're freeware VST plugs, and do pitch correction when a track's
>>>>> output is fed through them, and I seem to remember that the pitch
>>>>> can be
>>>>> set from playing notes on a midi keyboard as well.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>
> http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2011/07/25/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-pit
>
>>>
>>> ch-correction-auto-tune-vstau-plugins/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2013 8:23 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> I'm looking to add some autotuning to one of my songs because I like
>>>>>> the metallic effect that it gives it. Is reaTune an option?
>>>>>> I don't know if it is accessible, I have tried loading the reaTune
>>>>>> plugin but it seems not to be completely accessible as I can't switch
>>>>>> from manual tuning to autotune with NVDA.
>>>>>> Does anyone have any hints? Is there a more accessible workaround?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Oriol.
>>>>>>
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