[RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Steve Spamer steve at vipaudioaccess.com
Sun May 26 07:09:49 EDT 2013 

David, sounds as if you're doing a great job there, keep at it. It's not
easy work and like you say, very frustrating at times!  We have big
obstacles with the DAW and program we use, but in one respect, the bigger
issue is understanding a plugs environment without being able to see it.  I
made plenty of mistakes when doing Omnisphere, thinking I knew how things
worked at the time, but slowly things come together...and that's hopefully
what you're experiencing.  I remember thinking I'd cracked the categories,
then found out only a certain amount are visible at a time and the user had
to scroll to see the rest...oh gees, another 150+ categories popped up!...it
was time to reassess and think again lol.

Regarding feedback, and this depends on how far you're going to go with
Omnisphere and AHK, I mean you will reach a point where knowing where you
are in the plug is very important, the same with knowing whether or not a
button is actave etc.  It's easy to get lost in a myriad of keystrokes,
menus,  etc etc, so with screenreader feedback, we can keep on top of things
without having to remember "if I press this, then that  etc"...

I don't currently know of a way to  utilize NVDA's engine, but I'm sure I
will some day, but for now I know how to call SAPI to report to me whether a
control is on or off for example.  I think once the majority of tools we can
use with AHK have been highlighted and become more familiar, then things
could really pick up.  One thing that does intrigue me is that AHK can read
/write files, so wondering what could be gleamed from existing HSC sets,
probably too advanced for me lol, but you never know.

One thing I do know though, is you have to do it for personal gain and
enjoyment from a plug...as Jim has said, the work involved does not pay, but
I can get a real buzz from a user who is working with a plug that they
otherwise couldn't use...all down to what I've done...and in turn that's
possible because of the god that's Jim Snowbarger, don't blush Jim lol.
Cheers Steve.
P.S. Yes, you're right 3 browsers, but don't forget the sound source browser
has 1 for sound source A and 1 for sound source B, HTH.
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-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of David P Shortland
Sent: 26 May 2013 06:21
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Hi & Greetings from Sunday afternoon on the Sunshine Coast

Okay firstly, if anyone has a problem with discussing AHK matters on this 
REAPER forum just say so and I will take it off list and talk to Steve 
directly.

You are correct in saying that AHK is a complete programming environment and

sometimes it just goes on and on with what it can do...

The trouble is that with most programming environments the people who right 
them and then the subsequent documentation is actually written for 
programmers and not for us lesser mortals...*chuckle*. That is most of the 
examples they give, and I must say they give plenty of examples, just go 
right over my head. Mayhap, I am just a mere dummy...*chuckle*

However, when it comes to my skills with AHK so far, and I may add, tis 
truly very minor in the grand scheme of things, I have been dabbling with 
colour matchingfor feedback concerning the browsers that I have been wanting

to access. What this means is that when the browsers are open the screen is 
a certain colour in a specific location and that colour is different when 
the browser is closed. As I say, I am just dabbling and I am not sure if 
this is really what is necessary, but I can only do what I have been able to

glean from the documentation.

Actually I only thought there were three browsers, the first being the 
MultiBrowser, the second being the PatchBrowser and the third being the 
SampleWaveformBrowser.

My current way of accessing the PatchBrowser is to of written my own browser

which comes up in a window each category is in a drop down list and each 
menu item then gives rise to the next column/window and so on until you get 
down to your presets...
I then have a co-ord that places me at the top of the Patch/Preset list 
which has been sorted as the windows do their thing... I can then use the 
normal cursor keys, up and down to navigate the list.

My partner, bless her little cotton sox, has been my eyes for all testing, 
and sometimes had to endure my bursts of frustration as 9 times out of 10 
matters do not go as expected...

In the back of my mind are the words ... Patience ... Persistance ... 
Patience ... Persistence...

If this is really going to go anywhere, I need to start looking at setting 
some time aside just for AHK, but where in the 24 hours a day we are granted

do I do that...

Then there is STILL ...all the REAPER stuff....

Take care all...

David P Shortland
DragonScore Productions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Spamer
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:30 PM
To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Well done David, nice to hear.  Just interested, but how are you getting
feedback from AHK?  I'm working with AHK and SAPI at the moment, so
wondering if you're using another approach or not bothering.  Omnisphere has
a vast amount of windows and clicking in the wrong one could really bugger
things up, like in the browsers...which browser have you made accessible, as
there are 4 different browsers?  I'm tempted to dip into converting a set I
have done with HSC, but I really need to grasp the core functions and nuts
and bolts of AHK before doing so.

I'm using a plug as a test bed for AHK and am pleased so far, but there's
much to understand if I'm going to do things proprerly, at the moment it
works, but I'm sure the code could be more efficient etc. It's all a
learning curve...and time is the biggest killer, not having enough, well,
not enough time for the learning to sink in and stick.

I've been impressed with AHK and what it's possibilities are, but I don't
yet have the skills to be able to utilize it, even if I have the ideas on
how to achieve an objective.  It really is a programming environment...HSC
has the specific and direct functions to work with, so reaching an objective
is a matter of embracing virtually all of what it has to offer.  Also, don't
forget having Mr Snowman's support is invaluable when problems are
encountered, which is inevitable., Another thing is I've found the forums on
AHK don't yield good results, unless you're asking something about  AHK
which is complex...a simple question doesn't seem to get answered, well
that's my experience so far.  One problem I'm experiencing, is it has so
many aspects that are not relevant to us as VIP's and what we're trying to
achieve, so it's a matter of understanding enough to know what is useful and
what we need to concentrate on...and what we don't need to. Cheers Steve.

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-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of David P Shortland
Sent: 24 May 2013 21:26
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Hi & Greetings from The Sunshine Coast

Omnisphere is completely inaccessable I believe for all ScreenReaders.

I have been slowly putting together an AHK Set for this virtual synth, but
unfortunately music production takes precedence over learning and writing
AHK material.

So far though, I can now access the browser with all its categories, the
search field, and the program/preset list.., and have started work on the
Parts Section...

I must say though that Omnisphere is an incredible synth...

Take care all

David P Shortland
DragonScore Productions



-----Original Message----- 
From: Patrick Perdue
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:46 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

David:
How are you using Omnisphere with System Access? I haven't tried it yet
myself, though I want to, but I was under the impression that you
couldn't do much without lots of hotspots from HSC.

On 5/24/2013 4:40 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> That vst stability is something they may have finally addressed in the
> later versions.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David P Shortland"
> <dragamilov at comcen.com.au>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
>
> Hi & Greetings from Queensland
>
> Just to put the other side of the coin...
>
> I run REAPER 64 Version 4.402 on Windoes7 with System Access
>
> Never had any trouble whatsoever with REAPER not scanning any the VST
> directories.
>
> I rund both 32 and 64 bit plugs and the only one REAPER has trouble with
> has
> been Dimension Pro....
>
>  From Spectrasonics Omnisphere to Alchemy, Garritan Personal Orchestra to
> Ivory2 and even the Korg Legacy Collection all perform as expected...
>
> I can usually get Dimension Pro to work but I Have to do a little
> AltTabbing
> etc, to finally get the window to show properly, but once in place with
> AHK
> can effectively get to the Programs that it has
>
> And that is just the Virtual Synths... Nomad Factories Blue Tubes and
> Tone2
> WarmVerb a few Izotope plugs, plus several other 32bit fx plugs ... all
> are
> scanned and show up without hassle.
>
> Just as an aside, the computer that I use in my studio is dedicated to
> music
> production. I run System Access from a USB drive, but have installed
> NVDA as
> a BackUp.
>
> It never goes on the net, nor does it have any other programs that need to
> be there other than System Essentials...
>
> That's it
>
> Take care all
>
> David P Shortland
> DragonScore Productions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Belle
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:22 AM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
> Another issue with reaper, which for all it's promise I always had trouble
> with the vst implementation, and plug-in scanning in general.
>
> Not as stable as we would like.
>
> But it's still early days for reaper.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>
>
> I just pasted the GSnap dll into Reaper 64's VST destination folder;
> which is Steinberg\VSTPlugins on this computer; , and; running NVDA; I
> couldn't get Reaper 64 to even load GSnap.
> I ran Reaper's Clear Cache Rescan several times; which is Reaper's  most
> extreme method of forceing it to recognize a plug, no luck.
> I couldn't find a 64 bit version of GSnap that's labeled as for 64 bit
> Windows; unless maybe the plug is assumed to be for both 32 and 64 bits.
> Online, I read forum posts from folks running GSnap in Reaper 64, so
> don't understand why it won't load.
> Thanks for any reports of your experience with it,
> Indi
>
> On 5/21/2013 5:21 AM, Steve Spamer wrote:
>> Regarding GSnap, Tim Burgess has an HSC file for it over at:
>> http://www.raisedbar.net/articles.htm
>> but not sure if it will be of any use, as most on here are NVDA users.
>> Anyway, it may be handy, cheers
>> Steve
>>
>> Visit:
>> www.vipaudioaccess.com
>> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music
>> and to
>> basically get involved!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: 20 May 2013 23:43
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
>>
>> I used GSnap with Window-Eyes in 32 bits.
>> I suppose bridge intends to somehow bridge something to 64 bit windows 7.
>> What did you do when bridge came up?
>> Would none of it talk?
>> Did you try route to focus numPad insert and the numpad -minus key?
>> Did you try numPad insert and the 7 key?
>> Sorry, NVDA doesn't cover everything, unfortunately.
>> What's accessible in Wineyes or Jaws may not be, and vice versa.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 5/20/2013 4:33 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>> Hi Indi,
>>> Thanks for your email.
>>> You mean gSnap is accessible' I just tried it and it came up with
>>> something called gSnap bridge, which was a window that NVDA did not
>>> recognize at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/20/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Oriol,
>>>> The VST pitch-correcting plugs  here work, and are free.
>>>> They're simpler than Antares AutoTune, but make the same Cher Effect,
>>>> which I also like very much.
>>>> The top free plug on the list definitely is accessible, and I think the
>>>> second on the list is also, but it's been a while since I tried it.
>>>> Don't know if scripts are available, or needed; since they're very
>> simple.
>>>> They're freeware VST plugs, and do pitch correction when a track's
>>>> output is fed through them, and I seem to remember that the pitch
>>>> can be
>>>> set from playing notes on a midi keyboard as well.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2011/07/25/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-pit
>>
>> ch-correction-auto-tune-vstau-plugins/
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2013 8:23 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> I'm looking to add some autotuning to one of my songs because I like
>>>>> the metallic effect that it gives it. Is reaTune an option?
>>>>> I don't know if it is accessible, I have tried loading the reaTune
>>>>> plugin but it seems not to be completely accessible as I can't switch
>>>>> from manual tuning to autotune with NVDA.
>>>>> Does anyone have any hints? Is there a more accessible workaround?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Oriol.
>>>>>
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