[RWP] autotuning in reaper?
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed May 22 23:18:03 EDT 2013
Your forthright and no bs knowledgeable commentary is always welcome Jim
because you done that and been there and have the goods to show, for it,
I guess I just had a really good experience with Jamie and I guess he did
have a personal interest in sonar too, but he did a whole lot for me and
even wrote me a special mouse moving app and it didn't cost me the earth.
And quoted me an amazing price to write a better serial driver, for nvda
with my hardware synth, and so on and so forth.
Maybe he likes me.
and Ross's guy with ahk and cubass must have done the same thing with him,
anyway, I do know good talent is hard to find and cost money.
But
just saying it's easier to hire a hungry programmer than it is to get these
lazy ass screen-reader companies to do anything they don't have to do just
to stay on the government tit.
and all the points you make about the status quo keeping quality up and such
are valid, I also use older versions of screen-readers to do some of my work
as the newer version of my pet screen-reader though they're striving
mightily to right themselves kind of sucks hard right now, window-eyes has
been in the dumps since version 7.5 and just now shows signs of becomming a
useable product again, atleast on my machines.
I've made people mad saying so, but hey, I'm gettin older, and don't care,
I calls em like I sees em these days.
I don't have time to play politics, you know what politics means poly is
many and tic is a blood sucking organism 'grin'.
Well,
you know as a bit of an access developer, or having dabbled in it a bit I do
understand first hand the thousands of hours you spent doing hsc,
I know how hard it was just doing my little bit with ahk scripts, and the
support headaches, so that's why I decided to just give it away and charge
for support for those to want to pay.
Guess how many want to pay for that ha ha?
Well,
there are lots of labors of love going on the blind community, from linux
distros to our nvda, and your hsc, and there's got to be room for folks like
your good self and my honory self to make a little shake
but help people too, it's a balancing act, and nobody is gonna get rich in
this market.
But you've surely done an amazing thing, and there are folks making part of
their living from what you've given out.
I sure hope the hell they appreciate it and some of them show it to you.
I don't use jaws as much but my students sure do.
If I had one reason I hope jaws survives is so your hard work isn't all for
naught.
But you know how this technology is, one year it's the big dog, the next
year, it's
gone and old hat.
Hell, I'm still crying because dos went away.
'grin'.
See you later my learned friend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
Chris, I got ten crusty, crotchity years on ya. <grin>
I bet you can't hire a decent programmer for less than 100 dollars an hour
for a major project, unless they are really hungry.
And really good ones, aren't. You can only do a limited amount of
programming in a day.
For 800 bucks, I come and spend the day with you.
Ok, maybe two, if I like you, depending on what version of reaper your
actually running..
But real programming, not just tweaking, is exceedingly time consuming. so,
you need somebody who takes a personal interest in the project, who will
make it their religion.
Remember, I work as a programmer, so I know something about that. It's my
job.
Just thinking back on it, at those rates, my investment in HotSpotClicker,
over the life time of the product, is in the hundreds of thousands of
dollars. If I hadn't made it a personal cause, it never would have gotten
done.
If all 500 users had donated 50 bucks a piece, I would have recovered 2% of
my cost.
So, religion, not money is probably how things will get done in the new lean
ecomomy.
What made me make this sobering speculation about the unintended
consequences of free screen readers in the first place was that I depend on
a top notch screen reader to do my work. Not just one that works pretty
good, but one with lots of tools. (I do not use recent versions of jaws,
for good reason). I am deeply concerned about that tool being dependent on
somebody else's volunteerism. And, the inability to make money on your
screen reader product means you can't hire the really top notch talent, and
you get declining quality.
Really sharp, talented and personally dedicated volunteers are extremely
rare people.
Meanwhile, the volunteer competition is perhaps being staffed by people who
don't need to make a proffit, and might even be eating courtesy of their
government. I am not specifically alleging that about NVDA. I don't know
about that..
But, In part, that might be what's going on with the industry at large.
Reaper madness. That's good. <grin>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
I think the whole internet is way too like let's not be human beings and put
everything in to little boxes separated from each other.
Well, the world don't work that way.
Perhaps I'm ruined by midimag whoch goes all everywhere, and yes we need
guidelines, but this whole technology gig is about all of us and everything
we use, so I personally don't mind talking about it anywhere.
But Jim and me are old hellions, he's nicer and probably doesn't blow up
lists as often as I do, and a respectable fellow but I don't care, I'm
turning 50 this saturday and if someone gets mad at me for something I said,
well, if their talking about me, it gives someone else a break.
These blind folks need something else to bitch about right ha ha?
Anyway, we are indeed in a time of transition, and it'll be interesting to
see where we land.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
your right, it's not the place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
This is not the place for it. So, let me post it here. Blame Steve for
inspiring this thought.
Have you ever thought of the economic impact that the rush to embrace the
free NVDA will have on the
for-proffit screen reader companies? And, how the death of those companies
might impact us?
Hmmm.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Spamer" <steve at vipaudioaccess.com>
To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
Regarding GSnap, Tim Burgess has an HSC file for it over at:
http://www.raisedbar.net/articles.htm
but not sure if it will be of any use, as most on here are NVDA users.
Anyway, it may be handy, cheers
Steve
Visit:
www.vipaudioaccess.com
for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and to
basically get involved!
-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: 20 May 2013 23:43
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?
I used GSnap with Window-Eyes in 32 bits.
I suppose bridge intends to somehow bridge something to 64 bit windows 7.
What did you do when bridge came up?
Would none of it talk?
Did you try route to focus numPad insert and the numpad -minus key?
Did you try numPad insert and the 7 key?
Sorry, NVDA doesn't cover everything, unfortunately.
What's accessible in Wineyes or Jaws may not be, and vice versa.
Indi
On 5/20/2013 4:33 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> Hi Indi,
> Thanks for your email.
> You mean gSnap is accessible' I just tried it and it came up with
> something called gSnap bridge, which was a window that NVDA did not
> recognize at all.
>
>
> On 5/20/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> Hi Oriol,
>> The VST pitch-correcting plugs here work, and are free.
>> They're simpler than Antares AutoTune, but make the same Cher Effect,
>> which I also like very much.
>> The top free plug on the list definitely is accessible, and I think the
>> second on the list is also, but it's been a while since I tried it.
>> Don't know if scripts are available, or needed; since they're very
simple.
>> They're freeware VST plugs, and do pitch correction when a track's
>> output is fed through them, and I seem to remember that the pitch can be
>> set from playing notes on a midi keyboard as well.
>> Indi
>>
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2011/07/25/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-pit
ch-correction-auto-tune-vstau-plugins/
>>
>> On 5/20/2013 8:23 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I'm looking to add some autotuning to one of my songs because I like
>>> the metallic effect that it gives it. Is reaTune an option?
>>> I don't know if it is accessible, I have tried loading the reaTune
>>> plugin but it seems not to be completely accessible as I can't switch
>>> from manual tuning to autotune with NVDA.
>>> Does anyone have any hints? Is there a more accessible workaround?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Oriol.
>>>
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