[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

Wed May 22 22:37:31 EDT 2013

Right,  I think reaper is actually playing the same wav file twice in the 
overlapped region, using different folume scaling for each.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

> Semantics at this point, but you can't go back to the original wav file. 
> Why? Because you're still using the original wav file, therefore, nothing 
> to revert back to, other than clearing item properties. The audio you 
> started with is still the same audio you'll have after changing all that 
> stuff, as far as the source material is concerned. Nothing, in fact, is 
> being done to that file at all. You're just editing an XML file with a 
> GUI, which tells things to do stuff.
>
> On 5/22/2013 3:40 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Oh sure, if you mean it like that ok.
>>
>> One can always step back to the original wav.
>>
>> Or make copies of the project file.
>>
>> I guess I was making the distinction between control information to play
>> back the wav file currently loaded as apposed to actually operating on
>> that wav file.
>>
>> Not really a lot of difference in practical terms.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>
>>
>>> Nope, it's totally non-destructive editing. You're not rendering
>>> things offline and changing the original wave, just a copy in a
>>> project that tells it what to do on playback. It can easily be undone
>>> well after the fact, even if you can't get that far back in your undo
>>> history. Most of what I do is non-destructive in that way.
>>>
>>> On 5/22/2013 2:01 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Yup, I don't have a surface yet because of all the nightmares 
>>>> associated
>>>> with them, but I can do the same thing with a learned fader from my
>>>> keyboards, and or doing lots of snapshots quicly very close together
>>>> produces the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> If reaper had anything like this
>>>> I think that'd be enough to make me switch religions.
>>>>
>>>> But I must investigate the crazy way Patrick does mixing by breaking up
>>>> wav forms and sliding them together and doing volume changes on the
>>>> actual wav form.
>>>>
>>>> Danger there is you might clip, and it's also destructive editing.
>>>>
>>>> If I screw up in sonar, just wipe the slate and start over with
>>>> automation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's the nice thing about recording automation in Sonar, isn't it.
>>>>> you can basically draw your own envelopes with your fader control on
>>>>> your control surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" 
>>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:14 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing volume
>>>>>> gain on them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting out
>>>>>> a clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably
>>>>>> cause problems with audible pops and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the
>>>>>> way with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with
>>>>>> sonar or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for that,
>>>>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe next
>>>>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little
>>>>>>>>>> things, I've
>>>>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as much
>>>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I 
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new
>>>>>>>>>> users, even
>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I wanted,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work,
>>>>>>>>>> with 3.78
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might
>>>>>>>>>> take my
>>>>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe
>>>>>>>>>> besides Roy
>>>>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and
>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions
>>>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a
>>>>>>>>>>> folder that
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the
>>>>>>>>>>> default new
>>>>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all
>>>>>>>>>>> your audio
>>>>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access
>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now route
>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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