[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

Wed May 22 20:38:39 EDT 2013

Yes, internal automation in reaper, if you can use a mouse an draw 
envelope points.

On 5/22/2013 4:45 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> Patrick, this doesn't work without a surface right?
>
> No internal automation in reaper?
> so everyone is doing stuff by splitting clips and recombining them with
> proper cross-fading and such?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>
>
> Automation and drawing envelopes is very similar in Reaper.
> In the Track menu you have the option; Set Automation Mode.
> Arrow right on that and you get the modes, write, read, latch and trim.
> You can also set the track's automation mode per track by tabbing to
> automation mode in track view, and arrowing to the desired mode.
> When setting automation mode with the tab key and arrows, click enter to
> save settings.
> In track menu arrow down a couple more spaces and you get the option;
> Envelope submenu.
> Arrow right on that and you get the various parameters to activate for
> writing automation, like volume, pan, etcetera.
>
> In actions you also have a load of mouse modifier options for editing
> the envelope shape and points, available to us by assigning shortcuts to
> them to carry out the mouse movements.
> Here's the Cockos Wiki on Automation:
> Snip:
> Automation
> Main Page > REAPER Documentation, going further
> Contents [
> 1 What is Automation?
> 2 Creating Automation
> 3 Managing Envelopes
> 4 Writing Automation
> 5 Automation Write Example
> 6 Automation and Envelope Defaults
> What is Automation?
> Automation is one of the most useful features of REAPER.
> It enables you to ensure that when your project is played back, changes
> in such things as volume level or panning for different tracks can be
> remembered and played back in real time, with the project. At its
> simplest, for example, you can use automation to lift the volume of a
> lead instrument during a particular break or passage, or to add a little
> presence or warmth to the odd phrase here or there on a vocal track, to
> make it stand out in the mix a touch more. As you will see in this
> section, that’s only the beginning. When used well, Automation delivers
> the power to produce exactly the mix that you want.
> Creating Automation
> REAPER makes available to you two methods of automating your projects.
> Both have their own advantages. Try them both – you can use either
> method in your projects or a combination of both, as you prefer.
> ?Writing Automation: When writing automation, you are able to instruct
> REAPER to remember your actions – such as fading the volume control up
> and down for any track or tracks – as your project is played. These
> actions are used to create an envelope which is then reproduced when you
> play back or mix down the track in the future (see example, right).
> ?Drawn Envelopes: As an alternative to using your faders to create
> envelopes, you can shape them manually. This give you a very fine degree
> of control over your project. You can manually draw in envelopes which
> will have the same effect as if actual fader movements had been recorded.
> With both recorded and envelope automation, it is perfectly possible
> (and quite easy) to edit the automation instructions afterwards, or to
> remove them altogether if that’s what you want.
> Managing Envelopes
> Any track’s envelopes are managed by displaying the Envelopes Window for
> that track. This is displayed by clicking on the track’s Envelope
> button. You use this window, for example to:
> ?Set the Automation Status for the track.
> ?Create an envelope (eg for Volume or Pan).
> ?To show or hide an envelope from view.
> ?To Arm an envelope or Disarm it.
> These issues will be explained and explored in the pages that follow.
> Writing Automation
> To create automation envelopes using the Write feature, use this method:
> ?In the Track Control Panel, click on the Envelopes button to display
> the list of parameters that can be automated.
> ?Select the item you wish to automate, and make sure to also select the
> options Visible and Arm.
> ?Set Automation mode to Write.
> ?Close the Envelopes window.
> ?Position the Edit Cursor where you wish to start.
> ?Play the song. As you do so, adjust the on screen control which
> controls the parameter that you are automating.
> ?Stop play when finished.
> ?Right click over the Envelope button for that track and select
> Automation Read.
> ?Play the song. Listen and look!
> Automation Write Example
> ?Open your file "All Through the Night.RPP" (This is an example file
> available on the Wiki Main Page). Save it as "All Through the Night
> AUTO.RPP". We are going to add an automation envelope to the Bouzouki
> track to fade this track up a little in the passage between the first
> and second verses of this song.
> ?Use your mouse to increase the height of the Bouzouki track. This isn’t
> absolutely necessary, but makes it easier to see what you are doing.
> ?Position the Edit Cursor just before the end of the first vocal passage
> (see above).
> ?Now click on the Envelopes button for the Bouzouki Track. Select Volume
> and make it both Visible and Armed. Select the automation mode Write for
> this track.
> ?Close the Envelopes window. Notice that the Volume fader for this track
> is now coloured red. The Envelope button displays a red dot.
> ?Play the song.
> ?As the instrumental passage starts, use your mouse to raise the fader
> for the Bouzouki Volume by about a decibel. Hold it there, then at the
> end of the instrumental break lower the fader to its original position.
> Stop play.
> ?Right click over the Envelope button for the Bouzouki track and choose
> Automation Mode: Read from the context menu.
> ?The fader for the Volume control from this track will now be green, and
> your automation envelope should be clearly visible (see right).
> ?Play the song. The volume fader for your bouzouki will automatically
> move up and then down in accordance with the movements that you recorded.
> ?Press Ctrl S to save this file.
> Automation and Envelope Defaults
> Before exploring any more of REAPER’s automation features, it’s worth
> taking note of where your default Automation settings are stored. They
> are in the Preferences window, on the Project Defaults page.
> Here you can specify in particular:
> ?The default automation mode for new tracks,
> ?Whether or not envelopes are automatically armed as they are added.
> Envelope defaults are stored on the Editing Behaviour, Mouse page.
> Here you can specify how the mouse is to behave when you click on an
> envelope. The two options are:
> ?Adds a point,
> ?Adjusts segment.
> By default, click is set to add a point, Shift click is set to adjust
> segment.
> End Snip.
>
> On 5/21/2013 10:10 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> That's the nice thing about recording automation in Sonar, isn't it.
>> you can basically draw your own envelopes with your fader control on
>> your control surface.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>
>>
>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing volume
>>> gain on them?
>>>
>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting out
>>> a clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably
>>> cause problems with audible pops and such.
>>>
>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>
>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the way
>>> with reaper.
>>>
>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>
>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with sonar
>>> or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for that,
>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe next
>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>> automation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for and
>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little things,
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as much
>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I can
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new users,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I wanted,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work, with
>>>>>>> 3.78
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might take my
>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe
>>>>>>> besides Roy
>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and talking
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions and
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a folder
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the default new
>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are automatically
>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all your
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real time.
>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access all the
>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now route
>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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