[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
Indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Wed May 22 15:05:22 EDT 2013
Hey, the light just went on in my head!
You're splitting a single item; then changing the properties of its left
or right parts; so the audio has to crossfade when it reaches the
split point, and then runs with different pan, volume or other
properties for the right half of the former item; right?
On 5/21/2013 8:48 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
> Not quite. Split the item, then grow the let or right edge of which ever
> side you want to change the properties of. If you have two items at the
> same position of the same file with different start and end times, you
> are just effectively cross-fading from one item to the other, in this
> case, the same audio source for each item, with respective item
> properties, I.E. pan, volume, etc. For example, if you pan item 1 hard
> left and item 2 hard right, you should get a pan left/right pan the
> length of your cross-fade. The longer the item length, the slower it
> happens. Same goes for volume changes.
>
> Nothing to do with healing splits. In fact that would completely break it.
>
> On 5/21/2013 8:08 PM, Indigo wrote:
>> Patrick, is that the same as Heal Splits; which does the automatic
>> crossfade to give the least possible noise at the healed split points?
>> I haven't used it, just read about it in the article on quantizing audio
>> in Reaper.
>> Actually, there's a user-written custom action called Beat Detective
>> that auto-assigns beat and measure grid to audio tracks, same name and
>> function as Beat Detective in Cubase, also same as old Propeller Heads
>> Recycle; and Sony Acid Pro also does it.
>> After you have those beat and measure lines assigned by detecting
>> transcients, like the kick drum, quantizing audio and editing gets
>> possible.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2013 5:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> It sounds a lot more painful than it actually is. One of those things
>>> that takes longer to explain by at least a factor of five than actually
>>> doing it. Having ever used Sonar for automation, I can't know how much
>>> better it is, which is probably not a bad thing in my particular
>>> situation. Then again, doing what I'm doing now in Sonar... possible, I
>>> guess, but the idea scares me.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2013 5:36 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Sounds convoluted to me, I'm so spoiled by sonar's easy automation, but
>>>> I'll have to experiment with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you split an item and change it's volume, then overlap it with an
>>>>> existing item with the same actual content by extending the left edge
>>>>> of your new item so that it's on top of the old one in just the right
>>>>> way, it's a very smooth crossfade, no clicky poppy badness. Since
>>>>> you're dealing with the same audio, you're crossfade turns into a
>>>>> relatively linear gain change when needed. I've done it plenty of
>>>>> times. It's not pretty, but it is effective. I've also recorded
>>>>> automation with a control surface, which works as long as you don't
>>>>> want to actually edit stuff after the fact, other than undo, assuming
>>>>> you're still at the point where you can get away with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/2013 7:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing volume
>>>>>> gain on them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting
>>>>>> out a
>>>>>> clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably
>>>>>> cause
>>>>>> problems with audible pops and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with
>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>> or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for that,
>>>>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe next
>>>>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little
>>>>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as much
>>>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new
>>>>>>>>>> users,
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I wanted,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work,
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> 3.78
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might
>>>>>>>>>> take my
>>>>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe
>>>>>>>>>> besides
>>>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and
>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions
>>>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a
>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the default
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now route
>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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