[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

Wed May 22 15:05:04 EDT 2013

No, ReaAccess isn't blocking standard automation stuff. It, however, has 
no mechanism for viewing/editing automation envelopes once it's been 
recorded. Even though they are on-screen, you can't really do much. 
Also, implementation of a virtual control surface as such, would allow 
for further non-control surface track automation manipulation, and I 
think that's what the next, never released ReaAccess was supposed to do. 
This is why I mentioned ReaAccess in the first place.

On 5/22/2013 2:59 PM, Indigo wrote:
> Thanks, Patrick, I think I got it.
> There's more than 1 way to do anything in Reaper.
> Don't think that ReaAccess is blocking the use of standard Reaper
> automation, though.
> I use a lot of non-ReaAccess native procedures that work as they should;
> nothing to do with ReaAccess.
> There are a bunch more in the actions that Ivan could  have included in
> future ReaAccess that never came, but that doesn't obligate us to sit
> and wait for him to assign shortcuts to them.
> We're all very busy, and it'll take time; but eventually we'll get
> enhanced actions and macros to augment ReaAccess's shortcomings
> Also, Ivan seems to have some conflicts between shortcuts.
> Yesterday, I found a native action with the same shortcut as 1 in
> ReaAccess, but then lost it in that list of thousands of actions.
> Eventually I'll find it again and remove its shortcut, so the ReaAccess
> action should either work; or work more dependably without that shortcut
> conflict going on.
> Indi
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> On 5/21/2013 8:48 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>> Not quite. Split the item, then grow the let or right edge of which ever
>> side you want to change the properties of. If you have two items at the
>> same position of the same file with different start and end times, you
>> are just effectively cross-fading from one item to the other, in this
>> case, the same audio source for each item, with respective item
>> properties, I.E. pan, volume, etc. For example, if you pan item 1 hard
>> left and item 2 hard right, you should get a pan left/right pan the
>> length of your cross-fade. The longer the item length, the slower it
>> happens. Same goes for volume changes.
>>
>> Nothing to do with healing splits. In fact that would completely break
>> it.
>>
>> On 5/21/2013 8:08 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>> Patrick, is that the same as Heal Splits; which does the automatic
>>> crossfade to give the least possible noise at the healed split points?
>>> I haven't used it, just read about it in the article on quantizing audio
>>> in Reaper.
>>> Actually, there's a user-written custom action called Beat Detective
>>> that auto-assigns beat and measure grid to audio tracks, same name and
>>> function as Beat Detective in Cubase, also same as old Propeller Heads
>>> Recycle; and Sony Acid Pro also does it.
>>> After you have those beat and measure lines assigned by detecting
>>> transcients, like the kick drum, quantizing audio and editing gets
>>> possible.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2013 5:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>> It sounds a lot more painful than it actually is. One of those things
>>>> that takes longer to explain by at least a factor of five than actually
>>>> doing it. Having ever used Sonar for automation, I can't know how much
>>>> better it is, which is probably not a bad thing in my particular
>>>> situation. Then again, doing what I'm doing now in Sonar... possible, I
>>>> guess, but the idea scares me.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2013 5:36 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Sounds convoluted to me, I'm so spoiled by sonar's easy automation,
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'll have to experiment with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:57 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you split an item and change it's volume, then overlap it with an
>>>>>> existing item with the same actual content by extending the left edge
>>>>>> of your new item so that it's on top of the old one in just the right
>>>>>> way, it's a very smooth crossfade, no clicky poppy badness. Since
>>>>>> you're dealing with the same audio, you're crossfade turns into a
>>>>>> relatively linear gain change when needed. I've done it plenty of
>>>>>> times. It's not pretty, but it is effective. I've also recorded
>>>>>> automation with a control surface, which works as long as you don't
>>>>>> want to actually edit stuff after the fact, other than undo, assuming
>>>>>> you're still at the point where you can get away with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/21/2013 7:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing
>>>>>>> volume
>>>>>>> gain on them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting
>>>>>>> out a
>>>>>>> clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> problems with audible pops and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> with reaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with
>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>> or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for
>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>>>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little
>>>>>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new
>>>>>>>>>>> users,
>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work,
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.78
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might
>>>>>>>>>>> take my
>>>>>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> besides
>>>>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and
>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions
>>>>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the default
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real
>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> route
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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