[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

Wed May 22 14:59:24 EDT 2013

Thanks, Patrick, I think I got it.
There's more than 1 way to do anything in Reaper.
Don't think that ReaAccess is blocking the use of standard Reaper 
automation, though.
I use a lot of non-ReaAccess native procedures that work as they should; 
nothing to do with ReaAccess.
There are a bunch more in the actions that Ivan could  have included in 
future ReaAccess that never came, but that doesn't obligate us to sit 
and wait for him to assign shortcuts to them.
We're all very busy, and it'll take time; but eventually we'll get 
enhanced actions and macros to augment ReaAccess's shortcomings
Also, Ivan seems to have some conflicts between shortcuts.
Yesterday, I found a native action with the same shortcut as 1 in 
ReaAccess, but then lost it in that list of thousands of actions.
Eventually I'll find it again and remove its shortcut, so the ReaAccess 
action should either work; or work more dependably without that shortcut 
conflict going on.
Indi

On 5/21/2013 8:48 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
> Not quite. Split the item, then grow the let or right edge of which ever
> side you want to change the properties of. If you have two items at the
> same position of the same file with different start and end times, you
> are just effectively cross-fading from one item to the other, in this
> case, the same audio source for each item, with respective item
> properties, I.E. pan, volume, etc. For example, if you pan item 1 hard
> left and item 2 hard right, you should get a pan left/right pan the
> length of your cross-fade. The longer the item length, the slower it
> happens. Same goes for volume changes.
>
> Nothing to do with healing splits. In fact that would completely break it.
>
> On 5/21/2013 8:08 PM, Indigo wrote:
>> Patrick, is that the same as Heal Splits; which does the automatic
>> crossfade to give the least possible noise at the healed split points?
>> I haven't used it, just read about it in the article on quantizing audio
>> in Reaper.
>> Actually, there's a user-written custom action called Beat Detective
>> that auto-assigns beat and measure grid to audio tracks, same name and
>> function as Beat Detective in Cubase, also same as old Propeller Heads
>> Recycle; and Sony Acid Pro also does it.
>> After you have those beat and measure lines assigned by detecting
>> transcients, like the kick drum, quantizing audio and editing gets
>> possible.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2013 5:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> It sounds a lot more painful than it actually is. One of those things
>>> that takes longer to explain by at least a factor of five than actually
>>> doing it. Having ever used Sonar for automation, I can't know how much
>>> better it is, which is probably not a bad thing in my particular
>>> situation. Then again, doing what I'm doing now in Sonar... possible, I
>>> guess, but the idea scares me.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2013 5:36 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Sounds convoluted to me, I'm so spoiled by sonar's easy automation, but
>>>> I'll have to experiment with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you split an item and change it's volume, then overlap it with an
>>>>> existing item with the same actual content by extending the left edge
>>>>> of your new item so that it's on top of the old one in just the right
>>>>> way, it's a very smooth crossfade, no clicky poppy badness. Since
>>>>> you're dealing with the same audio, you're crossfade turns into a
>>>>> relatively linear gain change when needed. I've done it plenty of
>>>>> times. It's not pretty, but it is effective. I've also recorded
>>>>> automation with a control surface, which works as long as you don't
>>>>> want to actually edit stuff after the fact, other than undo, assuming
>>>>> you're still at the point where you can get away with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/2013 7:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing volume
>>>>>> gain on them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting
>>>>>> out a
>>>>>> clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably
>>>>>> cause
>>>>>> problems with audible pops and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> with reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with
>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>> or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for that,
>>>>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe next
>>>>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little
>>>>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as much
>>>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new
>>>>>>>>>> users,
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I wanted,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work,
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> 3.78
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might
>>>>>>>>>> take my
>>>>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe
>>>>>>>>>> besides
>>>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and
>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions
>>>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a
>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the default
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now route
>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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