[RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Wed May 22 01:56:39 EDT 2013

I see both pros and cons.

The big boys have reigned supreme and been lazy cash cows, I know I'm 
stepping on some toes here, well, probably not so much here, but I've heard 
all the arguments, and they all have merit and they also all fall down.

Having been weening myself off the window-eyes and jaws and going to nvda, 
and also having been paying a programmer to do what I need, I can tell you 
from first hand, I've seen more results from a month of working with a 
programmer independantly than I saw with 10 years of working with a major 
screen reader dev.

I've also been treated with more respect, not been given excuses, and also 
didn't get booted off a beta team for bringing up things they didn't want to 
hear about.

So let the bug guys work harder for their money, let the strong survive and 
let the winner take the prizes is what I say.

We have more choices than ever, yes, some immature, but if a vacuum is 
created, something will happen to fill it, intrepid smart fellows like 
yourself could clean up writing programs for people,
heck, I'd come hire you myself, just like i encourage Jamie from nvda with 
more than words,
you might have to learn python, but you hve a programmers mind, and 
understand all that kind of number crunching stuff which guys like me turns 
us in to drooling idiots da, what's a variable 'grin'?

I'm being silly but you know what I mean.

If the big boys want to survive, they'll have to do a little bit more for a 
little bit less like we all have to in this crazy economy, or go work at 
mcdonalds.

Doug might have to take a few less airplane rides and do more 
teleconferencing 'grin'.

Also linux is growing up, there are projects like ardour, which I have no 
idea about accessibility, but one thing about it, as little players get more 
and more in to the field, we have more things going different directions,
but we also get a better chance to have our voices heard, just like in the 
studio realm where
it used to be only the big boys got anything done,
now little guys like me can make some kind of living doing stuff for people 
and you can get in the game for much less than it used to cost,
heck we built the studio for 40 grand, back in the day you might get one 
tape machine and half a 24 track board for that price, never mind any sound 
proofing or microphones etc, well,
more and more I hear hits being done by folks doing stuff from their living 
rooms, the black lillies come to mind,
Cassie Taylor,
and the likes, and it's a beautiful thing.

Ok, the government cash cow drying up is gonna cause a lot of blind folks to 
not have stuff handed to them,
through the traditional channels, but also a lot of blind folks who fell 
through the cracks and didn't get on the rehab tit will belly up and buy 
their own, and they'll be able to clock in for a lot less.

Ok, I'll get nvda for free,
send a 100 dollar donation and spend 800 on a programmer to tweak my app for 
me.

That is actually a realistic senario,
and this will also separate the real players from the people who just wanna 
hang out and put out hot air but not really do anything.

Lord knows we have enough of those around.

I know there are people in real poverty who don't have anything, but I also 
know folks
who have lots of stuff and live pretty well, but somehow get very poor when 
it comes to paying for any access or any software.

Well, those who pay a little bit and are allowed to clock in at a rate they 
can afford instead of some ridiculous figure nobody can afford will get 
stuff done,
and there are plenty of hungry programmers around and in this economy 
they're being laid off too.

So they'll be willing to work for a little less.

So Jim my large brained mammal friend, don't be supprised is some of us 
approach you and say hey, here's 500 bucks what can you do for me for sonar, 
or reaper, or whatever?

My buddy Ross did that exact same thing with cubass and autohotkey.

Gpl is a beautiful thing, you know one can pay a programmer to do something, 
and if he doesn't want to be bother with tech support, as long as it's 
available,
someplace, one can charge for showing people how to use it and get their 
money back.

I've been talking to Jamie over at nvda and also these linux hounds,
and it's about freedom while promoting making money too.

So write a program, and then charge subscriptions
or a monthly retainer when you get tons of email, how do I install this or 
that, say hey, here's paypal, and show them how to use your stuff.

But put it out under gpl.

And then get a bunch of other programmers and up the food chain users to 
help you beta test the whole thing.

YOu know, maybe I'm prematurely optimistic, but it seems to me like we're 
getting back to the good old shareware days, remember when it was so much 
fun to have a computer and everything wasn't locked down and licensed to 
death?

Atleast some stuff is going that way.

The other stuff is going to the cloud and off site servers, no thanks,
I am not part of that religion.

I am not saying I'd never put any music or such on the cloud, but never 
depend on it for anything I rely on, for my studio or data storage, anything 
like that.

That's what hard-drives and optical media are for.

Ok, long pontification over again.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

This is not the place for it.   So, let me post it here.  Blame Steve for
inspiring this thought.

Have you ever thought of the economic impact that the rush to embrace the
free NVDA will have on the
for-proffit screen reader companies?  And, how the death of those companies
might impact us?
Hmmm.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Spamer" <steve at vipaudioaccess.com>
To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

Regarding GSnap, Tim Burgess has an HSC file for it over at:
http://www.raisedbar.net/articles.htm
but not sure if it will be of any use, as most on here are NVDA users.
Anyway, it may be handy, cheers
Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: 20 May 2013 23:43
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] autotuning in reaper?

I used GSnap with Window-Eyes in 32 bits.
I suppose bridge intends to somehow bridge something to 64 bit windows 7.
What did you do when bridge came up?
Would none of it talk?
Did you try route to focus numPad insert and the numpad -minus key?
Did you try numPad insert and the 7 key?
Sorry, NVDA doesn't cover everything, unfortunately.
What's accessible in Wineyes or Jaws may not be, and vice versa.
Indi

On 5/20/2013 4:33 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> Hi Indi,
> Thanks for your email.
> You mean gSnap is accessible' I just tried it and it came up with
> something called gSnap bridge, which was a window that NVDA did not
> recognize at all.
>
>
> On 5/20/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> Hi Oriol,
>> The VST pitch-correcting plugs  here work, and are free.
>> They're simpler than Antares AutoTune, but make the same Cher Effect,
>> which I also like very much.
>> The top free plug on the list definitely is accessible, and I think the
>> second on the list is also, but it's been a while since I tried it.
>> Don't know if scripts are available, or needed; since they're very
simple.
>> They're freeware VST plugs, and do pitch correction when a track's
>> output is fed through them, and I seem to remember that the pitch can be
>> set from playing notes on a midi keyboard as well.
>> Indi
>>
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2011/07/25/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-pit
ch-correction-auto-tune-vstau-plugins/
>>
>> On 5/20/2013 8:23 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I'm looking to add some autotuning to one of my songs because I like
>>> the metallic effect that it gives it. Is reaTune an option?
>>> I don't know if it is accessible, I have tried loading the reaTune
>>> plugin but it seems not to be completely accessible as I can't switch
>>> from manual tuning to autotune with NVDA.
>>> Does anyone have any hints? Is there a more accessible workaround?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Oriol.
>>>
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