[RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

Tue May 21 19:10:27 EDT 2013

Hey I know what you mean Patrick, you get used to just doing stuff and 
explaining it to someone else is well, always more dificult.

I go through this all the times with my students.

Well, in sonar automation snapshots are as easy as getting on the control, 
hitting applications key and then the letter s after you've set your 
control, pan, volume whatever to the value you want it to register.

So if you sang the word baby for instance, and you're ba part was too loud, 
you'd just drop it a couple of db with the standard volume, make a snapshot 
and then bring it back up and do another snapshot on the by part.

Considering I may have dozens of automations on a vocal track, it doesn't 
get easier than that.

but I'll have to get in to splitting items with reaper,
it doesn't matter how we do things as long as it comes out the same in the 
wash.

And if interest in reaper keeps up,
and students are willing to pay for some hand-holding, I need to get up to 
speed with it.

but Ikind of think over here, not that this sort of mentallity is a bad 
thing,
but paying for anything is against open source religion if you know what I 
mean.

I don't think access development will take off much in reaper beyond talking 
because sadly everything good tends to always come back to money.

Someone might do what Ross does and hire their own, or the community may get 
a champion like the jsonar project did,
but even the big dogs in the access world don't always get a lot of return 
for their time, so it's largely a labor of love.

Still, one hopes, and has faith for the best.

both sonar and reaper are several versions behind in access, and folks are 
just making do.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track

> It sounds a lot more painful than it actually is. One of those things that 
> takes longer to explain by at least a factor of five than actually doing 
> it. Having ever used Sonar for automation, I can't know how much better it 
> is, which is probably not a bad thing in my particular situation. Then 
> again, doing what I'm doing now in Sonar... possible, I guess, but the 
> idea scares me.
>
> On 5/21/2013 5:36 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Sounds convoluted to me, I'm so spoiled by sonar's easy automation, but
>> I'll have to experiment with that.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>
>>
>>> If you split an item and change it's volume, then overlap it with an
>>> existing item with the same actual content by extending the left edge
>>> of your new item so that it's on top of the old one in just the right
>>> way, it's a very smooth crossfade, no clicky poppy badness. Since
>>> you're dealing with the same audio, you're crossfade turns into a
>>> relatively linear gain change when needed. I've done it plenty of
>>> times. It's not pretty, but it is effective. I've also recorded
>>> automation with a control surface, which works as long as you don't
>>> want to actually edit stuff after the fact, other than undo, assuming
>>> you're still at the point where you can get away with that.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2013 7:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> So your essentially splitting out bits of audio and then doing volume
>>>> gain on them?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I guess that'd work for small volume changes, but splitting out a
>>>> clop or item in reaper land and doing a big change would probably cause
>>>> problems with audible pops and such.
>>>>
>>>> We really do need a better way to do automation with reaper.
>>>>
>>>> That and midi editing is kind of what's kept me from going all the way
>>>> with reaper.
>>>>
>>>> But there are things to love about this little swiss army knive.
>>>>
>>>> And ofcourse sighted people can draw envelopes and all that with sonar
>>>> or reaper, it doesn't matter for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Using the latest version here. At one point I had a reason for that,
>>>>> but tbh it's been so long that I can't think what it was. Maybe next
>>>>> time I get a few days off I'll roll back to 3.78 and see what's
>>>>> missing. For now, I'm using item gain for volume and muting
>>>>> automation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey, that's great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using 378 or a later version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what about working around things like automation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 4:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tracking and/or mixing pretty much every day in Reaper now, for and
>>>>>>> with humans who are paying actual money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just sayin'...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/20/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Patrick like you though I use reaper for just a few little things,
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> chosen to stay with the 3.78 version for the better fit with the
>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>> access development, because nothing messes with work flow as much
>>>>>>>> as not
>>>>>>>> being able to do basic i/o stuff efficiently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I always went for the latest versions before but I'm finding I can
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do stuff now with reaper and it actually does what I told it to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What good is a newer version if you can't get to things, or it
>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that you had, and this is the worst kind of senario for new users,
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hats visiting a new set of tools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I easily created a loop, tuned it and made it the speed I wanted,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> exported it, and whala,
>>>>>>>> no extra space in the loop, no why the hell didn't that work, with
>>>>>>>> 3.78
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> just works and everything talks right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course when I get in to more advanced functions, i might take my
>>>>>>>> statement back, but for now I think I'll stay where your at.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since you do lots of post production and have to do essential
>>>>>>>> repetitive
>>>>>>>> tasks real world
>>>>>>>> audio chores
>>>>>>>> I value your experience and I think your the only one maybe besides
>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>> who I personally know who's actually doing work with reaper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not to take away from the explorations others are doing and talking
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> but if there's a compelling reason to work with later versions
>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> with the broken access, I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe the better midi editing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Routing Tracks to master track
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything should already be routed to master, unless you
>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>> unrouted them all individually, or if your tracks are in a folder
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> isn't sending to the master send itself. That's how the default 
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> project template works. All newly created tracks are automatically
>>>>>>>>> routed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to master. If you press shift+f5 (mute master track) and all your
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>> goes away, then you'll know all your tracks are, in fact,
>>>>>>>>> sending to
>>>>>>>>> master. You can also use shift+j or shift+k to read the peak
>>>>>>>>> meter of
>>>>>>>>> left/right, respectively, of master track's output in real time.
>>>>>>>>> Assuming
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you are using Reaper 3.78, where you can still fully access all 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> context menus for routing, unlike 4.x versions, pressing
>>>>>>>>> shift+context
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> any highlighted track (it's a bit different for folders,) and
>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> options is "master track." Check or uncheck that box to
>>>>>>>>> route/unroute
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> selected track from master here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/19/2013 9:08 PM,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alexander Westphal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a compressor on the master track, but how do I now route
>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>>>>>>>> tracks to the master?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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