[RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions

Wed May 8 17:46:39 EDT 2013

Yeah, I won't be able to do much but bacic hackery if anything. Could
test new things if they happen, though. was a victim to JAWS scripting
back in the old days and haven't picked up a coding book in far too
long.

On 5/8/13, Gordon Kent <dbmusic at cybernex.net> wrote:
> Well, let me know when you actually find somebody qualified and I'll be glad
>
> to contribute.  It certainly would be nice to have some more configurable
> options like not having to hear "play" and "stop when you run the tranzport,
>
> and a better way to directly interface with a plug-ins ui, though that
> probably wouldn't happen withou an osm.  I really should go back to using
> reaper more.
> Gord
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex H.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 3:24 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer
> BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions
>
> Agreed with GF. Also willing to drop some bucks on having something a
> bit more flexible/actively developed than ReaAccess. Let's keep it
> productive. Money talks, and so should we, to each other to actually,
> do something.
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/8/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't have not one problem paying a developer for their time. I run a
>> recording studio As well, and know that that is what pays the bills. The
>> money was not the issue, I just was wondering if anyone knew anyone who
>> was
>> interested in working on the project. I am not one of those people who
>> expects something for nothing, people like that irritate me. But anyway,
>> this is not a list for bashing the less fortunate or anything like that.
>> The
>> question still stands, does anyone know of anyone who may be interested
>> in
>> working on a new accessibility project for reaper. Reaper is very open
>> source, and I'm quite sure that if we put the right person on the job, We
>> may be able to advance musically as a community. Right now, our options
>> are
>> very limited as far as digital audio workstation software. We have
>> limited
>> accessibility to several programs, and at the end of the day, we never
>> can
>> get the total idea down without jumping through hoops, for using several
>> pieces of software to complete one task. I have one person who may be
>> interested in looking at reaper and how we can make it accessible, we'll
>> see
>> where that goes. But if anyone knows any developers who are looking for
>> something interesting to get into, let's try to get this thing going
>> again.
>>
>> Please ignore any spelling errors or typos in this message, I am using
>> dictation. LOL
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there are hungry programmers out there, you got the money, they got
>>> the time.
>>>
>>> That's what I did to get nvda to work better with sonar since I was sick
>>> of jaws quirks and bloat.
>>>
>>> These big companies want thousands just to even look at things, but
>>> you'd
>>> be supprised what you can do one on one with someone.
>>>
>>> Problem is most blindies want everything for nothin'.
>>>
>>> And I understnad, many of them are flat broke.
>>>
>>> But just like we like to get paid for our studio chops and gig time,
>>> programmers are the same way, they got to eat too.
>>>
>>> I was very fortunate to find the guy I did who is a good musician and a
>>> programmer too.
>>>
>>> It only takes money honey.
>>> ha ha.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldfinga Productions"
>>> <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer
>>> BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is the first thing I did. It's always a lot faster to get the file
>>>> from someone who Artie has it though. It's all good, I'll get my hands
>>>> on
>>>> it. LOL. Thanks for the info though. I wonder if we can get some people
>>>> interested in creating a new accessible method for using reaper. We
>>>> probably wouldn't be having all these control surface problems if we
>>>> could get access to newer versions of reaper that have better control
>>>> surface support.
>>>>
>>>> GF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As usual; google the words cockos reaper klink's plug for BCF2000.
>>>>> If you include the word cockos you don't get all the grim reaper hits,
>>>>> only the cockos forums; and even if I didn't spell Herr Klink's name
>>>>> correctly, it's close enough to get hits on several forum threads with
>>>>> download links to all about Klink's plug, and documentation on how to
>>>>> use it to control Reaper.
>>>>> I'm amazed that Patrick made the plug work with his Korg MicroKontrol
>>>>> instead of the Behringer BCF2000.
>>>>> There is another control map for Reaper and the BCF2000 that is set up
>>>>> like the Behringer factory control maps.
>>>>> It has its own website, and it's free.
>>>>> I'll try to find a link to that one if you want to try it.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/7/2013 11:42 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>>>> I will have to check out this plug-in. Where can I get it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>>> I downloaded Klink's map for BCF2000, but didn't get round to
>>>>>>> studying
>>>>>>> what it controls.
>>>>>>> Also, which variation of Klink's map  you get depends on which forum
>>>>>>> thread you go to; and it never seems to be finished, there's a later
>>>>>>> version every time I go to the Cockos forums.
>>>>>>> Did you get enough documentation to understand what it controls?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm using the Mackie protocol with my Nanokontrol, and Klinke's
>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> surface plugin, which offers a better implementation of Mackie
>>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>>> than the stock Reaper support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:23 PM, Gordon Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The only one I've gotten to work reliably is the frontier designs
>>>>>>>>> tranzport, which isn't really a surface.  Make sure the control
>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>> input and output of whatever surface you are trying to use is set
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> control only in reaper. I may have gotten my alesis master control
>>>>>>>>> working, I don't remember, but it would have been with the mackie
>>>>>>>>> protycol.  I forget which mode I had to put the surface in, e.g.
>>>>>>>>> cubase,
>>>>>>>>> sonar, pro tools, etc.
>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>>> controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have three control surfaces, none of them want to play friendly
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> reaper. Which control protocol should I be using? And then I'm
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> have to figure out how to get each controller to activate that
>>>>>>>>> particular protocol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do what
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller
>>>>>>>>>> itself,
>>>>>>>>>> one that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, level,
>>>>>>>>>> mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> different set of CC values for something like a generic
>>>>>>>>>> button/knob
>>>>>>>>>> box for effects. Bad things happen if you try using the
>>>>>>>>>> Nanokontrol
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> manipulate effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal Control
>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and I assume any other controller using the Mackie
>>>>>>>>>> Universal
>>>>>>>>>> Control protocol would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>> NanoKontrol editor, necessary to make this a bit easier by
>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>> scenes on the controller's flash, thus making things a lot
>>>>>>>>>> easier,
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, the only way I can do this
>>>>>>>>>> reliably is to clear the settings on the controller, which
>>>>>>>>>> defaults
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on channel 1, when I
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> use it for controlling effect
>>>>>>>>> s, then pressing the key combination to get it into "Sonar mode,"
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> Mackie Control Universal mode, for actually acting as a control
>>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>>> What I eventually want to do is get something like a BCF2000,
>>>>>>>>> dedicate
>>>>>>>>> it for track stuff, then use the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> controlling plugin parameters. Lots of people are doing this with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is all rotary encoders and buttons,
>>>>>>>>> whereas
>>>>>>>>> the BCF2000 has flying faders. The BCR2000 has more available
>>>>>>>>> controls,
>>>>>>>>> but the Nanokontrol is a lot cheaper, and will serve just as well
>>>>>>>>> for my
>>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation.
>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>>> you've created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> still get to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can
>>>>>>>>>> re-draw
>>>>>>>>>> envelope curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> much to be done. A fix was promised in the never to be released
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, edit
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> remove automation from a keyboard, without the need for a control
>>>>>>>>>> surface at all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my way
>>>>>>>>>> around that by overlapping items with the same material, panning
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> changing levels of each, then overlapping the items as necessary
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> create envelopes, fades, linear panning, etc. without the use of
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> control surface, and it does work, though it's pretty hacky.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the
>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>> particular effect on a particular track.
>>>>>>>>>>> IS that right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a track,
>>>>>>>>>>> not an
>>>>>>>>>>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H."
>>>>>>>>>>> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>> surface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to suit
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> workflow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a little confused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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