[RWP] considering purchasing the behringerBCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions

Wed May 8 16:35:40 EDT 2013

I think f4 gives you lists of about every action reaper can do.

is that what you meant?

regards
Colin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the 
behringerBCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions

> Has anyone looked at the sws project?  I'm not a developer, but I know the 
> source exists and I'm wondering what it'd take to make the thing talk.
> Also, would decompiling the original reaaccess dll give us an actions list 
> and/or a list of functions that would need to be replicated so that we 
> don't lose anything?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer 
> BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions
>
>
>> Agreed with GF. Also willing to drop some bucks on having something a
>> bit more flexible/actively developed than ReaAccess. Let's keep it
>> productive. Money talks, and so should we, to each other to actually,
>> do something.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/8/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't have not one problem paying a developer for their time. I run a
>>> recording studio As well, and know that that is what pays the bills. The
>>> money was not the issue, I just was wondering if anyone knew anyone who 
>>> was
>>> interested in working on the project. I am not one of those people who
>>> expects something for nothing, people like that irritate me. But anyway,
>>> this is not a list for bashing the less fortunate or anything like that. 
>>> The
>>> question still stands, does anyone know of anyone who may be interested 
>>> in
>>> working on a new accessibility project for reaper. Reaper is very open
>>> source, and I'm quite sure that if we put the right person on the job, 
>>> We
>>> may be able to advance musically as a community. Right now, our options 
>>> are
>>> very limited as far as digital audio workstation software. We have 
>>> limited
>>> accessibility to several programs, and at the end of the day, we never 
>>> can
>>> get the total idea down without jumping through hoops, for using several
>>> pieces of software to complete one task. I have one person who may be
>>> interested in looking at reaper and how we can make it accessible, we'll 
>>> see
>>> where that goes. But if anyone knows any developers who are looking for
>>> something interesting to get into, let's try to get this thing going 
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Please ignore any spelling errors or typos in this message, I am using
>>> dictation. LOL
>>>
>>> GF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey there are hungry programmers out there, you got the money, they got
>>>> the time.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I did to get nvda to work better with sonar since I was 
>>>> sick
>>>> of jaws quirks and bloat.
>>>>
>>>> These big companies want thousands just to even look at things, but 
>>>> you'd
>>>> be supprised what you can do one on one with someone.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is most blindies want everything for nothin'.
>>>>
>>>> And I understnad, many of them are flat broke.
>>>>
>>>> But just like we like to get paid for our studio chops and gig time,
>>>> programmers are the same way, they got to eat too.
>>>>
>>>> I was very fortunate to find the guy I did who is a good musician and a
>>>> programmer too.
>>>>
>>>> It only takes money honey.
>>>> ha ha.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldfinga Productions"
>>>> <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer
>>>> BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That is the first thing I did. It's always a lot faster to get the 
>>>>> file
>>>>> from someone who Artie has it though. It's all good, I'll get my hands 
>>>>> on
>>>>> it. LOL. Thanks for the info though. I wonder if we can get some 
>>>>> people
>>>>> interested in creating a new accessible method for using reaper. We
>>>>> probably wouldn't be having all these control surface problems if we
>>>>> could get access to newer versions of reaper that have better control
>>>>> surface support.
>>>>>
>>>>> GF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As usual; google the words cockos reaper klink's plug for BCF2000.
>>>>>> If you include the word cockos you don't get all the grim reaper 
>>>>>> hits,
>>>>>> only the cockos forums; and even if I didn't spell Herr Klink's name
>>>>>> correctly, it's close enough to get hits on several forum threads 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> download links to all about Klink's plug, and documentation on how to
>>>>>> use it to control Reaper.
>>>>>> I'm amazed that Patrick made the plug work with his Korg MicroKontrol
>>>>>> instead of the Behringer BCF2000.
>>>>>> There is another control map for Reaper and the BCF2000 that is set 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> like the Behringer factory control maps.
>>>>>> It has its own website, and it's free.
>>>>>> I'll try to find a link to that one if you want to try it.
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 11:42 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>>>>> I will have to check out this plug-in. Where can I get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>>>> I downloaded Klink's map for BCF2000, but didn't get round to 
>>>>>>>> studying
>>>>>>>> what it controls.
>>>>>>>> Also, which variation of Klink's map  you get depends on which 
>>>>>>>> forum
>>>>>>>> thread you go to; and it never seems to be finished, there's a 
>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>> version every time I go to the Cockos forums.
>>>>>>>> Did you get enough documentation to understand what it controls?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm using the Mackie protocol with my Nanokontrol, and Klinke's
>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>> surface plugin, which offers a better implementation of Mackie
>>>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>>>> than the stock Reaper support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:23 PM, Gordon Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The only one I've gotten to work reliably is the frontier designs
>>>>>>>>>> tranzport, which isn't really a surface.  Make sure the control
>>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>>> input and output of whatever surface you are trying to use is set
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> control only in reaper. I may have gotten my alesis master 
>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>> working, I don't remember, but it would have been with the mackie
>>>>>>>>>> protycol.  I forget which mode I had to put the surface in, e.g.
>>>>>>>>>> cubase,
>>>>>>>>>> sonar, pro tools, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>>>> controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have three control surfaces, none of them want to play friendly
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> reaper. Which control protocol should I be using? And then I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> have to figure out how to get each controller to activate that
>>>>>>>>>> particular protocol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do 
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller
>>>>>>>>>>> itself,
>>>>>>>>>>> one that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, 
>>>>>>>>>>> level,
>>>>>>>>>>> mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>> different set of CC values for something like a generic
>>>>>>>>>>> button/knob
>>>>>>>>>>> box for effects. Bad things happen if you try using the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Nanokontrol
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> manipulate effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal 
>>>>>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and I assume any other controller using the Mackie
>>>>>>>>>>> Universal
>>>>>>>>>>> Control protocol would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>> NanoKontrol editor, necessary to make this a bit easier by
>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>>> scenes on the controller's flash, thus making things a lot 
>>>>>>>>>>> easier,
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, the only way I can do this
>>>>>>>>>>> reliably is to clear the settings on the controller, which 
>>>>>>>>>>> defaults
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on channel 1, when I 
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> use it for controlling effect
>>>>>>>>>> s, then pressing the key combination to get it into "Sonar mode,"
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> Mackie Control Universal mode, for actually acting as a control
>>>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>>>> What I eventually want to do is get something like a BCF2000,
>>>>>>>>>> dedicate
>>>>>>>>>> it for track stuff, then use the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> controlling plugin parameters. Lots of people are doing this with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is all rotary encoders and buttons,
>>>>>>>>>> whereas
>>>>>>>>>> the BCF2000 has flying faders. The BCR2000 has more available
>>>>>>>>>> controls,
>>>>>>>>>> but the Nanokontrol is a lot cheaper, and will serve just as well
>>>>>>>>>> for my
>>>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>>>> you've created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless 
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> still get to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can
>>>>>>>>>>> re-draw
>>>>>>>>>>> envelope curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> much to be done. A fix was promised in the never to be released
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, 
>>>>>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> remove automation from a keyboard, without the need for a 
>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>> surface at all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my 
>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>> around that by overlapping items with the same material, panning
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> changing levels of each, then overlapping the items as necessary
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> create envelopes, fades, linear panning, etc. without the use of 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> control surface, and it does work, though it's pretty hacky.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular effect on a particular track.
>>>>>>>>>>>> IS that right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> track,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not an
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H."
>>>>>>>>>>>> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>> surface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workflow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a little confused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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