[RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions

Wed May 8 15:24:05 EDT 2013

Agreed with GF. Also willing to drop some bucks on having something a
bit more flexible/actively developed than ReaAccess. Let's keep it
productive. Money talks, and so should we, to each other to actually,
do something.

Alex

On 5/8/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have not one problem paying a developer for their time. I run a
> recording studio As well, and know that that is what pays the bills. The
> money was not the issue, I just was wondering if anyone knew anyone who was
> interested in working on the project. I am not one of those people who
> expects something for nothing, people like that irritate me. But anyway,
> this is not a list for bashing the less fortunate or anything like that. The
> question still stands, does anyone know of anyone who may be interested in
> working on a new accessibility project for reaper. Reaper is very open
> source, and I'm quite sure that if we put the right person on the job, We
> may be able to advance musically as a community. Right now, our options are
> very limited as far as digital audio workstation software. We have limited
> accessibility to several programs, and at the end of the day, we never can
> get the total idea down without jumping through hoops, for using several
> pieces of software to complete one task. I have one person who may be
> interested in looking at reaper and how we can make it accessible, we'll see
> where that goes. But if anyone knows any developers who are looking for
> something interesting to get into, let's try to get this thing going again.
>
> Please ignore any spelling errors or typos in this message, I am using
> dictation. LOL
>
> GF
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey there are hungry programmers out there, you got the money, they got
>> the time.
>>
>> That's what I did to get nvda to work better with sonar since I was sick
>> of jaws quirks and bloat.
>>
>> These big companies want thousands just to even look at things, but you'd
>> be supprised what you can do one on one with someone.
>>
>> Problem is most blindies want everything for nothin'.
>>
>> And I understnad, many of them are flat broke.
>>
>> But just like we like to get paid for our studio chops and gig time,
>> programmers are the same way, they got to eat too.
>>
>> I was very fortunate to find the guy I did who is a good musician and a
>> programmer too.
>>
>> It only takes money honey.
>> ha ha.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldfinga Productions"
>> <goldfingas at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer
>> BCF2000controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>
>>
>>> That is the first thing I did. It's always a lot faster to get the file
>>> from someone who Artie has it though. It's all good, I'll get my hands on
>>> it. LOL. Thanks for the info though. I wonder if we can get some people
>>> interested in creating a new accessible method for using reaper. We
>>> probably wouldn't be having all these control surface problems if we
>>> could get access to newer versions of reaper that have better control
>>> surface support.
>>>
>>> GF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As usual; google the words cockos reaper klink's plug for BCF2000.
>>>> If you include the word cockos you don't get all the grim reaper hits,
>>>> only the cockos forums; and even if I didn't spell Herr Klink's name
>>>> correctly, it's close enough to get hits on several forum threads with
>>>> download links to all about Klink's plug, and documentation on how to
>>>> use it to control Reaper.
>>>> I'm amazed that Patrick made the plug work with his Korg MicroKontrol
>>>> instead of the Behringer BCF2000.
>>>> There is another control map for Reaper and the BCF2000 that is set up
>>>> like the Behringer factory control maps.
>>>> It has its own website, and it's free.
>>>> I'll try to find a link to that one if you want to try it.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/2013 11:42 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>>> I will have to check out this plug-in. Where can I get it?
>>>>>
>>>>> GF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>> I downloaded Klink's map for BCF2000, but didn't get round to studying
>>>>>> what it controls.
>>>>>> Also, which variation of Klink's map  you get depends on which forum
>>>>>> thread you go to; and it never seems to be finished, there's a later
>>>>>> version every time I go to the Cockos forums.
>>>>>> Did you get enough documentation to understand what it controls?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm using the Mackie protocol with my Nanokontrol, and Klinke's
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> surface plugin, which offers a better implementation of Mackie
>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>> than the stock Reaper support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:23 PM, Gordon Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>> The only one I've gotten to work reliably is the frontier designs
>>>>>>>> tranzport, which isn't really a surface.  Make sure the control
>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>> input and output of whatever surface you are trying to use is set
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> control only in reaper. I may have gotten my alesis master control
>>>>>>>> working, I don't remember, but it would have been with the mackie
>>>>>>>> protycol.  I forget which mode I had to put the surface in, e.g.
>>>>>>>> cubase,
>>>>>>>> sonar, pro tools, etc.
>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>> controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have three control surfaces, none of them want to play friendly
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> reaper. Which control protocol should I be using? And then I'm going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> have to figure out how to get each controller to activate that
>>>>>>>> particular protocol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do what
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller
>>>>>>>>> itself,
>>>>>>>>> one that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, level,
>>>>>>>>> mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> different set of CC values for something like a generic
>>>>>>>>> button/knob
>>>>>>>>> box for effects. Bad things happen if you try using the Nanokontrol
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> manipulate effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal Control
>>>>>>>>> emulator, and I assume any other controller using the Mackie
>>>>>>>>> Universal
>>>>>>>>> Control protocol would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>> NanoKontrol editor, necessary to make this a bit easier by
>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>> scenes on the controller's flash, thus making things a lot easier,
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, the only way I can do this
>>>>>>>>> reliably is to clear the settings on the controller, which defaults
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on channel 1, when I want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use it for controlling effect
>>>>>>>> s, then pressing the key combination to get it into "Sonar mode,"
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> Mackie Control Universal mode, for actually acting as a control
>>>>>>>> surface.
>>>>>>>> What I eventually want to do is get something like a BCF2000,
>>>>>>>> dedicate
>>>>>>>> it for track stuff, then use the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box for
>>>>>>>> controlling plugin parameters. Lots of people are doing this with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is all rotary encoders and buttons,
>>>>>>>> whereas
>>>>>>>> the BCF2000 has flying faders. The BCR2000 has more available
>>>>>>>> controls,
>>>>>>>> but the Nanokontrol is a lot cheaper, and will serve just as well
>>>>>>>> for my
>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation.
>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>> you've created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> still get to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can
>>>>>>>>> re-draw
>>>>>>>>> envelope curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess,
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> much to be done. A fix was promised in the never to be released
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> version of ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, edit
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> remove automation from a keyboard, without the need for a control
>>>>>>>>> surface at all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my way
>>>>>>>>> around that by overlapping items with the same material, panning
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> changing levels of each, then overlapping the items as necessary
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> create envelopes, fades, linear panning, etc. without the use of a
>>>>>>>>> control surface, and it does work, though it's pretty hacky.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the parameter
>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>> particular effect on a particular track.
>>>>>>>>>> IS that right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a track,
>>>>>>>>>> not an
>>>>>>>>>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H."
>>>>>>>>>> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>> surface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>>>>>>>>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to suit
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> workflow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects
>>>>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>> page"
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a little confused
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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