[RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 controlsurface, but have a few questions

Wed May 8 11:31:59 EDT 2013

That is the first thing I did. It's always a lot faster to get the file from someone who Artie has it though. It's all good, I'll get my hands on it. LOL. Thanks for the info though. I wonder if we can get some people interested in creating a new accessible method for using reaper. We probably wouldn't be having all these control surface problems if we could get access to newer versions of reaper that have better control surface support.

GF

On May 8, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:

> As usual; google the words cockos reaper klink's plug for BCF2000.
> If you include the word cockos you don't get all the grim reaper hits, only the cockos forums; and even if I didn't spell Herr Klink's name correctly, it's close enough to get hits on several forum threads with download links to all about Klink's plug, and documentation on how to use it to control Reaper.
> I'm amazed that Patrick made the plug work with his Korg MicroKontrol instead of the Behringer BCF2000.
> There is another control map for Reaper and the BCF2000 that is set up like the Behringer factory control maps.
> It has its own website, and it's free.
> I'll try to find a link to that one if you want to try it.
> Indi
> 
> 
> On 5/7/2013 11:42 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>> I will have to check out this plug-in. Where can I get it?
>> 
>> GF
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 7, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> I downloaded Klink's map for BCF2000, but didn't get round to studying what it controls.
>>> Also, which variation of Klink's map  you get depends on which forum thread you go to; and it never seems to be finished, there's a later version every time I go to the Cockos forums.
>>> Did you get enough documentation to understand what it controls?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Indi
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/2013 4:47 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>> I'm using the Mackie protocol with my Nanokontrol, and Klinke's control
>>>> surface plugin, which offers a better implementation of Mackie Control
>>>> than the stock Reaper support.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/2013 4:23 PM, Gordon Kent wrote:
>>>>> The only one I've gotten to work reliably is the frontier designs
>>>>> tranzport, which isn't really a surface.  Make sure the control midi
>>>>> input and output of whatever surface you are trying to use is set to
>>>>> control only in reaper. I may have gotten my alesis master control
>>>>> working, I don't remember, but it would have been with the mackie
>>>>> protycol.  I forget which mode I had to put the surface in, e.g. cubase,
>>>>> sonar, pro tools, etc.
>>>>> Gord
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000
>>>>> controlsurface, but have a few questions
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have three control surfaces, none of them want to play friendly with
>>>>> reaper. Which control protocol should I be using? And then I'm going to
>>>>> have to figure out how to get each controller to activate that
>>>>> particular protocol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> GF
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do what you
>>>>>> describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller itself,
>>>>>> one that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, level,
>>>>>> mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a completely
>>>>>> different set of CC values for something like a generic button/knob
>>>>>> box for effects. Bad things happen if you try using the Nanokontrol to
>>>>>> manipulate effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal Control
>>>>>> emulator, and I assume any other controller using the Mackie Universal
>>>>>> Control protocol would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>> NanoKontrol editor, necessary to make this a bit easier by creating
>>>>>> scenes on the controller's flash, thus making things a lot easier, is
>>>>>> 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, the only way I can do this
>>>>>> reliably is to clear the settings on the controller, which defaults to
>>>>>> sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on channel 1, when I want to
>>>>>> use it for controlling effect
>>>>> s, then pressing the key combination to get it into "Sonar mode," or
>>>>> Mackie Control Universal mode, for actually acting as a control surface.
>>>>> What I eventually want to do is get something like a BCF2000, dedicate
>>>>> it for track stuff, then use the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box for
>>>>> controlling plugin parameters. Lots of people are doing this with the
>>>>> BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is all rotary encoders and buttons, whereas
>>>>> the BCF2000 has flying faders. The BCR2000 has more available controls,
>>>>> but the Nanokontrol is a lot cheaper, and will serve just as well for my
>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation. Once
>>>>>> you've created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless you can
>>>>>> still get to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can re-draw
>>>>>> envelope curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess, not
>>>>>> much to be done. A fix was promised in the never to be released next
>>>>>> version of ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, edit and
>>>>>> remove automation from a keyboard, without the need for a control
>>>>>> surface at all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my way
>>>>>> around that by overlapping items with the same material, panning or
>>>>>> changing levels of each, then overlapping the items as necessary to
>>>>>> create envelopes, fades, linear panning, etc. without the use of a
>>>>>> control surface, and it does work, though it's pretty hacky.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the parameter of a
>>>>>>> particular effect on a particular track.
>>>>>>> IS that right?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a track, not an
>>>>>>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H."
>>>>>>> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control
>>>>>>> surface, but have a few questions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>>>>>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to suit your
>>>>>>>> workflow.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects routing
>>>>>>>>> page"
>>>>>>>>> just a little confused
>>>>>>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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