[RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control surface, but have a few questions

Wed May 8 10:44:28 EDT 2013

It's been so long since I set the control surfaces I have hooked up to 
Reaper I don't remember the process, but I seem to remember that; when a 
control surface is up and running before you open Reaper;  you can 
ctrl+P;  then arrow down to the next to bottom of the list; to Control 
Surface; and somehow find a list of types and select 1; like Mackie Mode.
I seem to remember that I needed to route  to Wineyes numPad to actually 
read the types, and select 1 of them.
Why not try all the offered types, what's it gonna hurt?
Just like the Behringer BCF2000 provides slightly different results in 
its Mackie Mode, its Sonar and Cubase modes, why not go it blind and try 
all the modes in Reaper's list on your old Sony device?
It could be useful for controlling Reaper, or maybe like the Behringer 
in its default mode 1, very good for controlling parameters in VST synths.
Indi

On 5/7/2013 10:05 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Actually, I still havce an old cakewalk studioMix control surface, which
> I recall discussing on this list about fifty years ago, and never
> resolved. It seems to use U R P N's, unregistered parameter numbers, to
> convey controller settings.  It's not just a single midi continuous
> controller, but pairs of URPN messages that convey the controller value.
>
> Unfortunately, Reaper doesn't have any surface listing for Cakewalk, or
> sonar, or anything like that.  Anybody have any idea which of the
> available types might be compatible with U R PN's?
> ;OR, is my old studioMix now officially a retired P O S.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control
> surface, but have a few questions
>
>
>> I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do what you
>> describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller itself,
>> one that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, level,
>> mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a completely
>> different set of CC values for something like a generic button/knob
>> box for effects. Bad things happen if you try using the Nanokontrol to
>> manipulate effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal Control
>> emulator, and I assume any other controller using the Mackie Universal
>> Control protocol would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the
>> NanoKontrol editor, necessary to make this a bit easier by creating
>> scenes on the controller's flash, thus making things a lot easier, is
>> 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, the only way I can do this
>> reliably is to clear the settings on the controller, which defaults to
>> sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on channel 1, when I want to
>> use it for controlling effects, then pressing the key combination to
>> get it into "Sonar mode," or Mackie Control Universal mode, for
>> actually acting as a control surface. What I eventually want to do is
>> get something like a BCF2000, dedicate it for track stuff, then use
>> the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box for controlling plugin parameters.
>> Lots of people are doing this with the BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is
>> all rotary encoders and buttons, whereas the BCF2000 has flying
>> faders. The BCR2000 has more available controls, but the Nanokontrol
>> is a lot cheaper, and will serve just as well for my purposes.
>>
>> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation. Once
>> you've created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless you can
>> still get to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can re-draw
>> envelope curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess, not
>> much to be done. A fix was promised in the never to be released next
>> version of ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, edit and
>> remove automation from a keyboard, without the need for a control
>> surface at all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my way
>> around that by overlapping items with the same material, panning or
>> changing levels of each, then overlapping the items as necessary to
>> create envelopes, fades, linear panning, etc. without the use of a
>> control surface, and it does work, though it's pretty hacky.
>>
>> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the parameter of a
>>> particular effect on a particular track.
>>> IS that right?
>>>
>>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a track, not an
>>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control
>>> surface, but have a few questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to suit your
>>>> workflow.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects routing
>>>>> page"
>>>>> just a little confused
>>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>>
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