[RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control surface, but have a few questions

[Jim Snowbarger]

Actually, I still havce an old cakewalk studioMix control surface, which I 
recall discussing on this list about fifty years ago, and never resolved. 
It seems to use U R P N's, unregistered parameter numbers, to convey 
controller settings.  It's not just a single midi continuous controller, but 
pairs of URPN messages that convey the controller value.

Unfortunately, Reaper doesn't have any surface listing for Cakewalk, or 
sonar, or anything like that.  Anybody have any idea which of the available 
types might be compatible with U R PN's?
;OR, is my old studioMix now officially a retired P O S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Perdue" <patrick at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control 
surface, but have a few questions


>I don't have  a BCF2000 yet. I have a Korg NanoKotrol. To do what you 
>describe, you'd have to use two profiles from the controller itself, one 
>that acts as a standard control surface for track pan, level, 
>mute/solo/arm, transport, etc. and another that sends out a completely 
>different set of CC values for something like a generic button/knob box for 
>effects. Bad things happen if you try using the Nanokontrol to manipulate 
>effects when it's set up as a Mackie Universal Control emulator, and I 
>assume any other controller using the Mackie Universal Control protocol 
>would have similar issues. Unfortunately, the NanoKontrol editor, necessary 
>to make this a bit easier by creating scenes on the controller's flash, 
>thus making things a lot easier, is 100% inaccessible. So, at the moment, 
>the only way I can do this reliably is to clear the settings on the 
>controller, which defaults to sending midi CC values starting at 1 all on 
>channel 1, when I want to use it for controlling effects, then pressing the 
>key combination to get it into "Sonar mode," or Mackie Control Universal 
>mode, for actually acting as a control surface. What I eventually want to 
>do is get something like a BCF2000, dedicate it for track stuff, then use 
>the NanoKontrol as a dedicated box for controlling plugin parameters. Lots 
>of people are doing this with the BCF2000 and a BCR2000, which is all 
>rotary encoders and buttons, whereas the BCF2000 has flying faders. The 
>BCR2000 has more available controls, but the Nanokontrol is a lot cheaper, 
>and will serve just as well for my purposes.
>
> I am, however, frustrated by the lack of access to automation. Once you've 
> created envelope points, you're stuck with them, unless you can still get 
> to them in the undo history. If you can see, you can re-draw envelope 
> curves after they've been created, but with ReaAccess, not much to be 
> done. A fix was promised in the never to be released next version of 
> ReaAccess, of course, as well as a way to create, edit and remove 
> automation from a keyboard, without the need for a control surface at 
> all., I.E. the way JSonar does it. I have faked my way around that by 
> overlapping items with the same material, panning or changing levels of 
> each, then overlapping the items as necessary to create envelopes, fades, 
> linear panning, etc. without the use of a control surface, and it does 
> work, though it's pretty hacky.
>
> On 5/6/2013 10:06 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> This sounds like mapping surface controls to control the parameter of a
>> particular effect on a particular track.
>> IS that right?
>>
>> Suppose you wanted to assign some knob to the volume of a track, not an
>> effect parameter.  How would you do that?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] considering purchasing the behringer BCF2000 control
>> surface, but have a few questions
>>
>>
>>> He means that in the FX window you can assign a parameter to a
>>> button/pot using MIDI learn, and set up custom mappings to suit your
>>> workflow.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 5/6/13, Justin Thornton <drummer060891 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> what do you mean when you say "click on Param in the effects routing
>>>> page"
>>>> just a little confused
>>>> On May 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> click on Param in the effects routing page
>>>>
>>>>
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