[RWP] What's the current state of n I kontact accessibility with hsc and ahk?

Sun May 5 11:21:28 EDT 2013

I only know of 3 of us who have FM8, you, me and Roy Shtupler.

How much do you want for the FM8 AHK scripts?
I realize my home made method of browsing through FM8's thousand presets 
with arrow keys, or by left clicking at the numPad is clunky, but it 
takes me only a second or two to find the preset buttons.
Luckily, Reaper saves a preset sound for Absynth 5, which becomes the 
default sound when it loads, so that's my method of quickly returning to 
an Absynth sound; but it'd be great to get at both FM8 and Absynth 5's 
preset morphing features, and catagories would make browsing for presets 
more efficient for sure.
 From Reaper's parameter list in almost any VST synth; I can turn off 
the preset's effects, which is usually way too much delay and reverb, 
then apply much lighter third party effects, so I don't miss not 
accessing the plug's own effects.

I'm sorry I can't help more with info on the most preferred synths for 
you to work on, but I only have what I have, most of which are ancient 
32 bit plugs, except for Alchemy and RayBlaster demo.
I'm going to learn not to let my enthusiasm take me over so I post links 
in general; also not to hot new synths, because it always seems to get 
me in trouble.
When I posted a link to the free Alchemy Player 1.55, something; I never 
learned what; kept program change sent from their midi keyboard from 
bringing up its presets for some folks.
I couldn't duplicate the problem, and program change  brings up Alchemy 
presets from every controller or keyboard I have here.
I installed Sonar 853 and tried Alchemy Player  in that, and it worked 
the same as program change worked in Reaper.
My only conclusion was that somehow program change got switched off in 
the midi filter section of their Sonar; but I felt at fault for 
recommending Alchemy Player.
Do you also have AHK sets for Adsynth 5?
Thanks,
Indi

On 5/5/2013 7:27 AM, Steve Spamer wrote:
> Indigo, this is probably one of the major stumbling blocks that stifle any
> solutions IMO. One person likes this, another likes that...the blind
> community is small as it is, so if people can't actually agree and desire
> access to the same thing, nothing of any substance will ever get developed
> outside of someones personal work.
>
> The reason for my question was clear, as I have spots that do the basics in
> Absynth 5 and Massive, plus spots that allow selection of categories and
> preset changes in FM8, so I was gauging the interest.  These just aren't for
> HSC, the FM8 set has been done with AHK as well.  I used FM8 as a test bed
> for AHK and it works really nicely, as I've actually incorporated SAPI to
> announce if categories are selected, which is necessary, as there would be
> no way of knowing what is and isn't.
>
> AHK is very powerful, but it's going to be very limited for us unless
> feedback is available, hence the experiment with sAPI.  I'm pretty sure NVDA
> could be used, but I have no idea how to do that yet, I'm learning as I go
> along, so I needed an objective, so FM8 was that objective.
>
> Simple clicking is a breeze with AHK, but for more complex tasks, which we
> need a lot of the time, much more scripting knowledge is needed...and
> therefore it takes time and a good understanding of programming.  Trouble
> is, as you learn, you learn better ways of doing things, mistakes you've
> made and easier solutions, but that comes with the territory I guess.  I'd
> really know as a group what people would like access to...if people send in
> there favourite/most desired synths/libraries/VST's etc to:
> steve at vipaudioaccess.com
> I'll create a poll on the site and see if any results can be gained, what do
> you think?, Cheers steve.
>
> Visit:
> www.vipaudioaccess.com
> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and  to
> basically get involved!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
> Sent: 05 May 2013 00:46
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] What's the current state of n I kontact accessibility
> with hsc and ahk?
>
> I once tried to work up an interest in FM8, but the Reaper coordinates I
> found for the preset plus and minus buttons didn't seem to work in
> Sonar; or maybe Window-Eyes saw something different from Jaws, don't
> know what; but nobody else on MidiMag ever raved about how amazing FM8
> sounds are; so I guess there was no interest.
> Same for Absynth.
> Interest in it seemed to disappear after version 3 or so
> I think there are already Jaws scripts for version 3.
> I sort of ran version 3 in Window-Eyes without scripts, could play its
> presets anyway, but I thought they were rather sterile and cold.
> Absynth Version 5 is very different, rich amazing sounds, but a real
> challange to run.
> If I only try to play presets I'm okay in it, its interface doesn't
> change, but several times I've got into its preset morphing function, I
> think it is, which makes very interesting new sounds; but then
> afterwards I couldn't find the preset buttons again at the usual
> coordinates, probably an example of the interface changes you speak of.
> There must be ten thousand other great synths.
> How about Gladiator, Zebra, the new RayBlaster, LinPlug ChronoX, Sylenth1?
> Dune is a nice one that displays its presets immediately, and always has
> several of its parameters associated with a control surface.
> Cakewalk's Z3TA immediately displays a huge list of presets, but its a
> shrill sounding thing that hurts my ears.
> Nexus is interesting, but I seem to be only getting a handful of its
> presets to play.
> It must have catagories of presets that I'm not finding.
> Camel Audio's Alchemy has my heart at the moment, and it's so complex
> it'll take me a while; maybe a lifetime;  to find all of it.
> I don't have Omnisphere; so I can't compare Alchemy and Omnisphere, but
> with Alchemy you can introduce your own samples and SFZ files.
> The same preset parameters acting on different samples makes entirely
> new sounds, and it's an easy change.
> In Alchemy there's a control map of 16 midi controllers ready to map to
> any control surface; and controls make dramatic changes in its sounds.
> I have no hope of ever getting total access to Alchemy, since Alchemy's
> granular mode; 1 of its 4 synthesis engines;  can have  thousands of
> tiny grains of sound along its sound timeline; like steps, each with its
> own parameters like volume, pitch, effects, etcetera.
> One could spend a whole lifetime in granular synthesis alone.
> Indi
>
>
> On 5/4/2013 5:42 PM, Steve Spamer wrote:
>> Talking of Kontakt, how many are using or have FM8, Massive, Absynth etc?
>> Cheers Steve.
>>
>> Visit:
>> www.vipaudioaccess.com
>> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and
> to
>> basically get involved!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: 04 May 2013 15:10
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] What's the current state of n I kontact accessibility
>> with hsc and ahk?
>>
>> Thanks, Scott.
>> What is considered a reasonable donation?
>> Indi
>>
>> On 5/2/2013 1:10 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> I took Gianluca's AHK scripts for a quick spin earlier with Kontakt 5
>>> on my usual Reaper x64, Win7, NVDA. Overall, really useful. I was able
>>> to load up a few instruments, point one of them at the right directory
>>> to find its samples and resave it. There are a few other commands
>>> available that I haven't explored yet, just did what I needed to do
>>> earlier on and cracked on with the job at hand as I was pressed for
>>> time. Sometimes, it took a couple of attempts to get the AHK
>>> keystrokes to find their intended target, but it wasn't a huge
>>> frustration. It's also worth noting that on my system, if I switched
>>> out of the fx window midway through a workflow that I was relying on
>>> the scripts for, I had to do some mousing around to get focus back. I
>>> guess it's fair to say that there's still a bit of jiggery-pokery
>>> involved, but whatever, it's progress IMO.
>>>
>>> I haven't compared these side by side to the free HSC sets thanks to
>>> my JAWS installation being put through the ringer. I'll give it a go
>>> next time I need to use Kontakt assuming FS have figured out a
>>> solution by then, this is the weirdest case of JAWS getting its
>>> knickers in a knot that I've ever seen. Would be good to hear from
>>> anyone who's already tried the HSC approach in the meantime.
>>>
>>> Anyway, for any non JAWS users who were teetering on the edge of
>>> donating and waiting for someone else to take the leap, I leaped and
>>> lived to tell the tale.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/2/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Scott, please let us know how well Gienluca's AHK scripts for Kontakt
>>>> work for you.
>>>> I guess I don't expect to ever get full access to a Native Instruments
>>>> program, but it's nice to get a handle onto the library browser anyway.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indigo
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/1/2013 4:47 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>> There are AHK scripts for Kontakt. Not 100% sure how the functionality
>>>>> compares to Steve's HSC efforts, but thought it would be worth
>>>>> confirming for everyone that they do exist as donationware. If you
>>>>> want to find out more or make a donation to acquire them, the chap you
>>>>> need to be talking with is called Gianluca. You can write to him using
>>>>> gianluca.apollaro88 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm gonna be trying these out when cash is flowing a little more
>>>>> freely, hopefully in a few days time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/1/13, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Same here. NVDA with Reaper is fast and awesome. I'm definitely not
>>>>>> missing
>>>>>> the sluggish Jaws keyboard intercept slowing things down with fast
>>>>>> starts/stops when editing big projects and the like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:52 PM, "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too bad this is all for JAWS. I'm an NVDA user....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/30/13, Steve Spamer <steve at vipaudioaccess.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Trahern, no you can't make samples from wave files. It's just
>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> the ability to manage any instruments and libraries you may have.
>>>>>>>> Using
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to make sample instruments is way off, unless you have quite a few
>>>>>>>> $$$'s
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> donate?  Cheers Steve.
>>>>>>>> Visit:
>>>>>>>> www.vipaudioaccess.com
>>>>>>>> for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> basically get involved!
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of trahern
>>>>>>>> culver
>>>>>>>> Sent: 30 April 2013 11:24
>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] What's the current state of n I kontact
>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>> with hsc and ahk?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool can you make samples from wav files? Kind regards trahern
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/04/2013, at 8:54 AM, Calvin Botha <djdarkness.botha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can access kontakt's patch load dialogue and reset multi
>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>> as well as browsing for samples if kontakt doesn't find them in a
>>>>>>>>> patch. Check the links to his site I provided. All is explained
>>>>>>>>> their.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/30/13, trahern culver <sound.warrior20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So how much access to kontact do steavs scrips give the user? Kind
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>> trahern
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/04/2013, at 6:48 AM, Calvin Botha
>> <djdarkness.botha at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hay trahern. TO understand the current state of Kontakt
>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility,
>>>>>>>>>>> you must realise that every library for kontakt has a different
>>>>>>>>>>> interface with kontakt acting as a frontend for the library. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> static like spectrosonics products or like most of the vsts found
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar or Reaper. As you know kontakt is bitmapped, with tons of
>>>>>>>>>>> interface elements that change as one interacts with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So far Steve from VIP Audio access has done some amazing work
> with
>>>>>>>>>>> regards to Kontakt accessibility. You can check out his latest
> hsc
>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>> for kontakt and reaper here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
> http://www.vipaudioaccess.com/free-hsc-set-kontakt-basic-operation/#comment-
>>>>>>>> 444
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve has also taken on the mamith task of making some libraries
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> kontakt accessible. The first 2 he has just finished are from
>>>>>>>>>>> orange
>>>>>>>>>>> tree samples. Absilutely amazing sounding guitar libraries. Check
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> out from the link below:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vipaudioaccess.com/pricing-and-ordering/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Their are several demmos of these libraries up so far. I myself
> am
>>>>>>>>>>> seriously keen on purchasing these.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/30/13, trahern culver <sound.warrior20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all what's the current state of native instruments kontact
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessabilitie with hsc and ahk? Is the latest version fully
>>>>>>>> accessable?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> trahern
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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