[RWP] Is This a SureFire Method of Opening Track Record Inputs Menu?

Wed Mar 13 06:17:52 EDT 2013

Jim,
So, when you get the message handle of current track view is not found; 
  then the correct menu comes up, did you first apply the classic 
default 3.0 theme?
This is the first theme, or skin, I ever applied, other than choosing 
Classic skin in WinAmp.
I always thought applying anything other than the default skin would add 
an additional layer between the screenreader and the application, so 
avoided skins.
However, now that I applied the classic default 3.0 theme to this 64 bit 
Windows 7 Reaper version4.32, and also to my 32 bit XP daw's Reaper 
4.32; I can't get the applications key to ever fail to bring up the 
Monitor Items menu.
Both in Wineyes and NVDA; I no longer hear handle of current track view 
is not found.
Actually, it works in every situation I've put it in; only a single 
empty track inserted, to multiple tracks with plenty of effects loaded, 
though Screwing around, going to actions list, playing with unused 
actions; creating new shortcuts for actions, only then would I sometimes 
go back to track view and the applications key would say and do 
absolutely nothing.
I just pressed alt+F4 to clear whatever was in the way, and the 
applications key works flawlessly again.
After changing themes; I also got the additional benefit of having the 
alt key always drop the regular file, edit, view, etcetera menus, as it 
is supposed to, a standard Microsoft thing; I think; since way bac at 
Windows 3.1.
Ssince Reaper 4, sometimes alt would drop the menus, sometimes I'd need 
to press F10, which always works.

When I first discovered that I got the Monitor Item menu with only the 
applications key, I thought that I had discovered how to focus onto the 
same arm button sighted users right mouse click on to get that same menu 
to display, but I realize you are right, focus has nothing to do with 
what I'm getting now.
I conclude it's due to changing theme.
Changing themes; though;  did nothing to fix the broken ReaAccess 
shortcut; ctrl+enter; to display the inline midi editor.
I still hear whatever that message is; Can't open editor.
I couldn't care less, David Shortland's discovery of ctrl+alt+E to 
display the onboard midi editor, then alt+V for the view menu; then 
selecting Mode Item List; is an infinitely better method
I think it provides a more intuitive display of notes and items for 
editing, plus; in the onboard midi editor;  a press of Q brings up the 
quantize dialog, and you can change the grid settings, sometimes called 
quantize amount, from the manual tab in that same quantize dialog.

Indi

On 3/12/2013 9:53 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> It's a very odd situation.  What happens for me is that  I get the
> message, handle of current track view is not found, but the context menu
> comes up anyway.  It's the one with Monitor Input etc.
> When I poke into this with my jaws tools, the track view always has
> focus, even when you are tabbing through those items like arm and volume
> and all that.
> Even though you are tabbing,  actual focus, according to windows, is not
> changing.  But, people often make focus, appear, to move by sliding some
> clever color highlighting around.  Unless they have played some really
> weird tricks in the background, that should not cause redirection of key
> strokes to one control or another.
> I'm runnign reaper 4.26, for some strange reason.  I didn't realize that.
> Anyway, I was surprised that I got the error message, but stuff worked
> anyway.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Is This a SureFire Method of Opening Track Record
> Inputs Menu?
>
>
>> Hey, I thought I found a universal simple solution.
>> Oh well, it works here, but I can't understand why it doesn't on other
>> folks systems.
>> Sorry,
>> Indi
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2013 6:33 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> Hey chaps,
>>>
>>> Nope, not working here on Reaper 4.3.2 with NVDA 2012.3.1 running on
>>> Win7 64. I tried with Default 4 and Default 3x themes, as classic 3x
>>> wasn't an option I could choose for some reason.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, I've just had a working set of eyes watch me carry out
>>> Indie's steps, and the focus isn't being adjusted visually here by
>>> choosing arm from the ReaAccess virtual mode thingy. That'd explain
>>> why it's not working I guess, although I've no idea why focus is being
>>> moved on Indie's system and not on mine or Gianluca's.
>>>
>>> Just adding the result in case it helps to narrow anything down...
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 3/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Gianluca,
>>>>    I just tried it again on this Windows 7 64 machine with NVDA, and I
>>>> can't get my simple method  not to work.
>>>> However, I left out something I did that I thought had no effect, so
>>>> didn't mention it, that is, I went to ctrl+P options/preferences,
>>>> arrowed to theme; tab downand loaded the classic 3x theme.
>>>> I thought all it did was change the colors and did not notice any
>>>> difference, but I maybe was wrong, that the Reaper version 3x theme is
>>>> important.
>>>> Can't hurt, unless you are using default 4x colors to identify things
>>>> with your screenreader.
>>>> I put a checkmark on Allow Themes to Override.
>>>> I went to select theme and clicked enter on it; I selected classic
>>>> 3x in
>>>> the combo box; I clicked on Load Theme; then Save Theme, maybe not
>>>> necessary steps, but I had no instructions how to change themes; then
>>>> clicked on Apply and OK.
>>>> Maybe try changing to classic 3x theme, and then the method might work?
>>>> If you are using default 4x theme colors for Jaws to find things, you
>>>> should be able to return to default 4x theme, if it doesn't help
>>>> make my
>>>> method work.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/11/2013 1:11 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I tried it with jaws and NVDA on the 32 bit version of reaper 4.32
>>>>> bit and it doesn't work, always the same message. I used the
>>>>> applications key and did everything you suggested.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Gianluca
>>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>>> Il 11/03/2013 17:08, Indigo ha scritto:
>>>>>> Please try this and let me know if it works in all cases; especially
>>>>>> when you have a cluttered screen with lots of tracks and effects
>>>>>> going; okay?
>>>>>> Here's what I did:
>>>>>> In a new project; insert a track with ctrl+t.
>>>>>> Now, tab down to Record Arm; and select On with your spacebar.
>>>>>> Now press enter to save that selection.
>>>>>> Now press escape.
>>>>>> Now, without moving or pressing anything else; press the Applications
>>>>>> key.
>>>>>> Does the track recording inputs options menu come up; which reads:
>>>>>> Monitor Input; when you arrow down once?
>>>>>> I tested this method in 32 and 64 bits, with Window-Eyes and NVDA in
>>>>>> 32 bits, and NVDA in 64 bit Reaper, and it never failed to open the
>>>>>> recording inputs options menu with the applications key; and I'm
>>>>>> running Reaper version 4.32.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason it works is that the sighted method for displaying that
>>>>>> menu is to right click with the mouse on the graphical arm track
>>>>>> button.
>>>>>> When you tab to Record Arm; then select on or off with the spacebar;
>>>>>> then press enter, then press escape, that same graphical arm
>>>>>> button is
>>>>>> in focus at that moment, so a click from the applications key
>>>>>> displays
>>>>>> that menu; because the graphical arm button is still in focus; and a
>>>>>> click of the applications key acts the same as a right mouse click.
>>>>>> If you press any shortcuts or move anything that graphical track arm
>>>>>> button will no longer be in focus, so you may hear the annoying:
>>>>>> Handle of Track who is not message; when you press the
>>>>>> applications key.
>>>>>> I don't think either the ctrl+up arrow or an Auto Hot Key shortcut is
>>>>>> required, and; as long as the sighted method of displaying this menu
>>>>>> is not changed, this should be breakproof with future versions.
>>>>>> By the way, when a sighted person right clicks that graphical track
>>>>>> arm button, which is the letter R on their screen, that icon actually
>>>>>> speaks something like Record ARM OFF ON, but for the life of me I
>>>>>> couldn't locate that graphical icon with Wineyes mouse pointer on the
>>>>>> screen, I think it'must be between recognized graphics.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter, if the method above works.
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
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