[RWP] Is This a SureFire Method of Opening Track Record Inputs Menu?

Tue Mar 12 21:53:20 EDT 2013

It's a very odd situation.  What happens for me is that  I get the message, 
handle of current track view is not found, but the context menu comes up 
anyway.  It's the one with Monitor Input etc.
When I poke into this with my jaws tools, the track view always has focus, 
even when you are tabbing through those items like arm and volume and all 
that.
Even though you are tabbing,  actual focus, according to windows, is not 
changing.  But, people often make focus, appear, to move by sliding some 
clever color highlighting around.  Unless they have played some really weird 
tricks in the background, that should not cause redirection of key strokes 
to one control or another.
I'm runnign reaper 4.26, for some strange reason.  I didn't realize that.
Anyway, I was surprised that I got the error message, but stuff worked 
anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Is This a SureFire Method of Opening Track Record Inputs 
Menu?

> Hey, I thought I found a universal simple solution.
> Oh well, it works here, but I can't understand why it doesn't on other 
> folks systems.
> Sorry,
> Indi
>
>
> On 3/11/2013 6:33 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Hey chaps,
>>
>> Nope, not working here on Reaper 4.3.2 with NVDA 2012.3.1 running on
>> Win7 64. I tried with Default 4 and Default 3x themes, as classic 3x
>> wasn't an option I could choose for some reason.
>>
>> Interestingly, I've just had a working set of eyes watch me carry out
>> Indie's steps, and the focus isn't being adjusted visually here by
>> choosing arm from the ReaAccess virtual mode thingy. That'd explain
>> why it's not working I guess, although I've no idea why focus is being
>> moved on Indie's system and not on mine or Gianluca's.
>>
>> Just adding the result in case it helps to narrow anything down...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 3/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Gianluca,
>>>    I just tried it again on this Windows 7 64 machine with NVDA, and I
>>> can't get my simple method  not to work.
>>> However, I left out something I did that I thought had no effect, so
>>> didn't mention it, that is, I went to ctrl+P options/preferences,
>>> arrowed to theme; tab downand loaded the classic 3x theme.
>>> I thought all it did was change the colors and did not notice any
>>> difference, but I maybe was wrong, that the Reaper version 3x theme is
>>> important.
>>> Can't hurt, unless you are using default 4x colors to identify things
>>> with your screenreader.
>>> I put a checkmark on Allow Themes to Override.
>>> I went to select theme and clicked enter on it; I selected classic 3x in
>>> the combo box; I clicked on Load Theme; then Save Theme, maybe not
>>> necessary steps, but I had no instructions how to change themes; then
>>> clicked on Apply and OK.
>>> Maybe try changing to classic 3x theme, and then the method might work?
>>> If you are using default 4x theme colors for Jaws to find things, you
>>> should be able to return to default 4x theme, if it doesn't help make my
>>> method work.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/11/2013 1:11 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>> Hi, I tried it with jaws and NVDA on the 32 bit version of reaper 4.32
>>>> bit and it doesn't work, always the same message. I used the
>>>> applications key and did everything you suggested.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Gianluca
>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>> Il 11/03/2013 17:08, Indigo ha scritto:
>>>>> Please try this and let me know if it works in all cases; especially
>>>>> when you have a cluttered screen with lots of tracks and effects
>>>>> going; okay?
>>>>> Here's what I did:
>>>>> In a new project; insert a track with ctrl+t.
>>>>> Now, tab down to Record Arm; and select On with your spacebar.
>>>>> Now press enter to save that selection.
>>>>> Now press escape.
>>>>> Now, without moving or pressing anything else; press the Applications
>>>>> key.
>>>>> Does the track recording inputs options menu come up; which reads:
>>>>> Monitor Input; when you arrow down once?
>>>>> I tested this method in 32 and 64 bits, with Window-Eyes and NVDA in
>>>>> 32 bits, and NVDA in 64 bit Reaper, and it never failed to open the
>>>>> recording inputs options menu with the applications key; and I'm
>>>>> running Reaper version 4.32.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason it works is that the sighted method for displaying that
>>>>> menu is to right click with the mouse on the graphical arm track 
>>>>> button.
>>>>> When you tab to Record Arm; then select on or off with the spacebar;
>>>>> then press enter, then press escape, that same graphical arm button is
>>>>> in focus at that moment, so a click from the applications key displays
>>>>> that menu; because the graphical arm button is still in focus; and a
>>>>> click of the applications key acts the same as a right mouse click.
>>>>> If you press any shortcuts or move anything that graphical track arm
>>>>> button will no longer be in focus, so you may hear the annoying:
>>>>> Handle of Track who is not message; when you press the applications 
>>>>> key.
>>>>> I don't think either the ctrl+up arrow or an Auto Hot Key shortcut is
>>>>> required, and; as long as the sighted method of displaying this menu
>>>>> is not changed, this should be breakproof with future versions.
>>>>> By the way, when a sighted person right clicks that graphical track
>>>>> arm button, which is the letter R on their screen, that icon actually
>>>>> speaks something like Record ARM OFF ON, but for the life of me I
>>>>> couldn't locate that graphical icon with Wineyes mouse pointer on the
>>>>> screen, I think it'must be between recognized graphics.
>>>>> Doesn't matter, if the method above works.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
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