[RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music

[Stephan Merk]

Indi,

I have read about and found it in the web. However, at the time I don't like
to learn more and more. It's possible to use MPC as a plugin, maybe I do so.
What I want to know is if Reaper has a sample player plugin itself so I
understand, that is not the case. So if I am right, I'll use AD as the rhytm
machine for the moment.


Viele Grüße

--
Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de


-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:53 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music

Unless you load a program, like Poise, which has 16 onscreen pads, you don't
have pads in Reaper.
But, you certainly can insert any format of sound file onto a track.
You could insert .wav, .mp3, .aif, and many more format sound files.
You also can insert midi files onto tracks.
Reaper treats audio and midi the same.
You can nudge the file to the position on the time line where you want it to
play in your melody or rhythm; but without setting up Reaper as a sample
player or loop recorder, which is possible, you're not going to get the same
behaveor from Reaper as you get from the Akai MPC.
Poise has all the features of the MPC, but it's not totally accessible yet.
We're trying to get the developer of Poise to label the screen graphics.
Poise is about $49 USD.
Indi


, tracks.

On 6/26/2013 3:28 PM, Stephan Merk wrote:
> Hi Indi,
>
> no, I don't want to work in conjunction with the MPC, I want to divide 
> this to understand and explore a modern DAW. What I didn't found are 
> demo tracks of Reaper, so that I can see what is possible.
>
> Questions like:
> - Can I load simple samples or do I need a VST sampler? In the MPC I 
> can load either sample files or drum kits, VST plugins or whatever.
> - Are there differences between drum tracks and/or melody tracks? Am I 
> able to loop something? In the sequencer of my microSTATION such 
> possibilities are given.
>
> Such questions I have but let me a little play around, I think then I 
> have something more. ;-)
>
> But a general question: At the time I have some good instruments, 
> synthesizers of my Legacy Collection, the XLN Audio software and so 
> on. But is there any - in German we say "Bred and butter" sound module 
> which is good for playing? Or should I use in this case the microSTATION
via MIDI?
>
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> --
> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:21 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>
> Well, if you already recorded something, then you must have enabled 
> your Akai, or some way to transmit midi to Reaper.
> So, ask questions as they arise, and someone here will attempt to answer.
> Indi
>
>
> On 6/26/2013 7:35 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>> Indi,
>>
>> I use not really an audio card for musicians but for audiophile 
>> musician use. I'm not a professional and starting with work. So I use 
>> a Burr Brown
>> PC-1920 or so which is built-in the Lehmannaudio Linear headphone 
>> preamp
> and
>> some other sound hardware. Also the MPC Renaissance has a 
>> semiprofessional audio and midi interface as well as a small mixer or 
>> the Technics
> sx-KN7000
>> which I also own. To divide speech from music I'm experimenting with 
>> some external USB audio interfaces which I trigger with ASIO4all 
>> which has very good latency times. The AKAI MPC uses it's own ASIO 
>> driver but the others don't have any by themselves.
>>
>> I don't use much MIDI Hardware but I have several devices: microKORG; 
>> microSTATION the Technics keyboard and also the MPC which has also a 
>> built-in MIDI interface with 2 in and 4 out connectors. The 
>> microSTATION
> has
>> a VST plugin to be controlled by DAW. The microKORG I'm not using 
>> because
> I
>> focused beneath XLN Audio on the KORG Legacy Collection with all 
>> analog
> and
>> digital instruments. I have also the Session-Bundle of Applied 
>> Acoustics
> and
>> nearly all samples of drm machines from the last 30-40 years.
>>
>> IN Reaper I just configured Audio and VST instruments and tried to 
>> play
> some
>> notes using AKAI MPKmini (with my Ultrabook) and recorded something. 
>> So I created a track, using it with the Addictive Keys or KORG Legacy 
>> and recorded something.
>>
>> Because I'm just starting with virtual instruments and with creating 
>> music since a long time, I parallel learn the MPC workflow and Reaper as
well.
>> What I want to do is using Reaper on the move to capture ideas and 
>> the MPC for creating the rest of it. But for the future, it's 
>> necessary for me to understand both solutions.
>>
>> Maybe the Reaper manual is helpful, there is any I think. But not in
> German
>> at the time I guess...
>>
>>
>> Viele Grüße
>>
>> --
>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:50 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>>
>> Any Daw, like Sonar, Reaper, you begin by enabling your sound card 
>> for
> audio
>> and midi.
>> Then there are rules about the tracks.
>> You select a track by arrowing up or down to it.
>> To Record you must arm a track.
>> Please tell us what sound card you will use  for audio and midi.
>> How much of this have you done already in Reaper?
>> Indi
>>
>> On 6/26/2013 5:28 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this are interesting thoughts about Groove Boxes. But I ask by 
>>> myself if there is a way to create drum patterns and loop them in 
>>> Reaper. So my personal problem is as follows:
>>>
>>> The MPC is based on use like a drum machine. So I have the strictly 
>>> pre-defined workflow: Creating sequences (vs. patterns) with several 
>>> tracks, mix them to create a song. The same like my old Roland 
>>> TR-505 or Korg DDM-110, DDD-1 and so on. By the way, on DDD-1 I 
>>> created a song based on cowbells and bass lines with the maximum of 
>>> 14 pads. ;)
>>>
>>> In Reaper, or other musician programs, I am a little confused about 
>>> the main window, the tracks and don't know what I can do or how I 
>>> can start. So I have many things to learn. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Viele Grüße
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of T.Reid
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>>>
>>> Regarding Poise, I've been exchanging messages with Shannon, the
>> developer.
>>> He is very interested in making the product more accessible. It's 
>>> usable with the Jaws cursor since many of the options are accessible 
>>> from right clicks on the graphic.
>>>
>>> I had a little sighted assistance to make a few HSC spots  which 
>>> move to a pad and right click allowing me to paste a sample onto a
pad...
>>>
>>> Shannon is planning on downloading Jaws and possibly other screen 
>>> readers to see exactly how they respond. He is also making some 
>>> changes now like putting pad dependent features in the right click menu.
>>>
>>> For me it is already worth the 50 bucks, but after some additional 
>>> access enhancements I think it will be a no brainer.
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:36 AM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>>>
>>> I think that's right, the simple way Reaper works is like a groove 
>>> box in many ways.
>>> Yesterday, I found a groove box VST plug called CereDrum.
>>> Do you know that one?
>>> It's free, has a sequencer, 4 drum kits to choose among; plus a bass 
>>> synthesizer.
>>> I haven't had an opportunity to try it yet, but I might get lucky 
>>> and find it to be in text.
>>> Actually, my Casio XW-G1 keyboard is exactly like running a groove 
>>> box; very much like the old Roland MC-505 and MC-307 I had 
>>> previously; but easier than they were.
>>> There is a 16 pad VST sample player called Poise; that was written 
>>> by a long time MPC user, that does most of what the Akai MPC does.
>>> You can drag/drop or paste samples, loops, anything onto its 16 
>>> virtual pads, and assign the pads to keyboard keys, hardware pads,
>> whatever.
>>> Unfortunately, its screen graphics are not labeled; otherwise it 
>>> would be easy to run.
>>>
>>> CereDrum doesn't play samples; unless you can maybe substitute your 
>>> own samples for its onboard drum kits, but I'll post a link to 
>>> CereDrum if it's accessible.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/24/2013 1:30 PM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>>> No, I can use a 6x lens and I can see the cursor position. Amazing 
>>>> is that the cursor has fixed positions so you can count by pressing 
>>>> the
>>> cursor keys.
>>>> If you go left, you will reach the top left of the screen and keep 
>>>> this position. The same while walking with Cursor right to bottom 
>>>> right. So it gives me the real feel of a real hardware device but 
>>>> with much more power and benefits.
>>>>
>>>> I connected Akai on this because if the display of the MPC could be 
>>>> mirrored as a text window on the computer, it would be accessible 
>>>> because most elements are text-based. The software itself which you 
>>>> can alternatively use is full graphical, with NVDA you have no access.
>>>>
>>>> I think that this workflow in general is useful for those who know 
>>>> the old hardware sequencers without any overdozed interfaces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:11 PM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>
>>>> Stephan, have you used the MPC without sight?
>>>>
>>>> Those are very interesting to me, especially now that they finally 
>>>> got
>>>> 24 bit samples, but I haven't met any blind users of the Akai MPC.
>>>>
>>>> I have wanted to buy the Native Instruments Maschine, but think it 
>>>> may be not so easy to run without being able to constantly look at 
>>>> the
>> screen.
>>>> I know for certain that some selections in Maschine must be made 
>>>> from the screen, such as browsing to samples to load them I don't 
>>>> think I could even get samples loaded onto pads.
>>>> How much do you need to do in the Akai MPC that would be easier 
>>>> with sight, or is it also impossible without seeing?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Indi.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2013 10:27 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> this is helpful as well, because I forgot the fact about the 
>>>>> scripts which are available. ;-) That means in general that some 
>>>>> guys made thoughts about making it accessible. This I think does 
>>>>> the ReaAccess project as well, but AFAIK the scripts for Sonar are 
>>>>> not for free, so they have a commercial touch or in other words, 
>>>>> the functionality is more
>>>> expected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have seen and my hope is, that I can use Reaper as a MIDI 
>>>>> sequencer for my new VST instruments. If this works as I expect, 
>>>>> it is enough for me. I’d never played around with audio mixing and 
>>>>> syncing audio tracks with MIDI and so on. I like the workflow of 
>>>>> my MPC, that’s it
>>>> like I know from the 80ies.
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Brian 
>>>>> Casey
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:21 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is hard to say,  because I rely on sonar to make my living in 
>>>>> my studio, it is the daw that I know best by far, and I also use 
>>>>> the CakeTalking scripts, so I don't have the most balanced opinion 
>>>>> on the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Others have opinions on which is better and why, but really I am 
>>>>> just used to sonar and the plug-ins that come with it, and I don't 
>>>>> have time to fully
>>>>>
>>>>> investigate reaper and I don't have the time to find out if I can 
>>>>> do all the same things as quickly with reaper.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, that's not very helpful but I don't want to go telling 
>>>>> someone sonar is better or worse when I don't know reaper fully,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think sonar might have better synths that come with the 
>>>>> producer version, but access to those depends on using 
>>>>> CakeTalking, jSonar scripts or some other HSC sets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Stephan Merk <mailto:dl7fos at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:13 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers' <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what do you think is on Sonar better? I read sometimes that blind 
>>>>> people using Sonar but I didn’t tried it out, too expensive for my 
>>>>> needs. ;) However, Sonar is Cakewaalk and they purchased the 
>>>>> Voyetra Sequencing products which I was using 20 years ago
 ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: RWP [ <mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Brian Casey
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:18 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've posted these tracks on the midi mag list before, but heres my 
>>>>> sound cloud with some original material I finished recently,, 95% 
>>>>> of the instrumentation etc is me, and I did all the mixing also. 
>>>>> Its all done in sonar though because I'm still afraid of reaper!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/briancaseymusic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate any listens greatly,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jim Snowbarger <mailto:Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:47 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, let's each one of us who can, contribute a link to a 
>>>>> recording of a song that we actually wrote ourselves, and 
>>>>> primarily, and hopefully entirely, performed.  One track per 
>>>>> person.  Pick a track that really says you, and throw it in the 
>>>>> pot.  Let's find out who we are
>>> musically.
>>>>>
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