[RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music

Wed Jun 26 15:28:38 EDT 2013

Hi Indi,

no, I don't want to work in conjunction with the MPC, I want to divide this
to understand and explore a modern DAW. What I didn't found are demo tracks
of Reaper, so that I can see what is possible.

Questions like:
- Can I load simple samples or do I need a VST sampler? In the MPC I can
load either sample files or drum kits, VST plugins or whatever.
- Are there differences between drum tracks and/or melody tracks? Am I able
to loop something? In the sequencer of my microSTATION such possibilities
are given.

Such questions I have but let me a little play around, I think then I have
something more. ;-)

But a general question: At the time I have some good instruments,
synthesizers of my Legacy Collection, the XLN Audio software and so on. But
is there any - in German we say "Bred and butter" sound module which is good
for playing? Or should I use in this case the microSTATION via MIDI?

Viele Grüße

--
Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de

-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:21 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music

Well, if you already recorded something, then you must have enabled your
Akai, or some way to transmit midi to Reaper.
So, ask questions as they arise, and someone here will attempt to answer.
Indi

On 6/26/2013 7:35 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
> Indi,
>
> I use not really an audio card for musicians but for audiophile musician
> use. I'm not a professional and starting with work. So I use a Burr Brown
> PC-1920 or so which is built-in the Lehmannaudio Linear headphone preamp
and
> some other sound hardware. Also the MPC Renaissance has a semiprofessional
> audio and midi interface as well as a small mixer or the Technics
sx-KN7000
> which I also own. To divide speech from music I'm experimenting with some
> external USB audio interfaces which I trigger with ASIO4all which has very
> good latency times. The AKAI MPC uses it's own ASIO driver but the others
> don't have any by themselves.
>
> I don't use much MIDI Hardware but I have several devices: microKORG;
> microSTATION the Technics keyboard and also the MPC which has also a
> built-in MIDI interface with 2 in and 4 out connectors. The microSTATION
has
> a VST plugin to be controlled by DAW. The microKORG I'm not using because
I
> focused beneath XLN Audio on the KORG Legacy Collection with all analog
and
> digital instruments. I have also the Session-Bundle of Applied Acoustics
and
> nearly all samples of drm machines from the last 30-40 years.
>
> IN Reaper I just configured Audio and VST instruments and tried to play
some
> notes using AKAI MPKmini (with my Ultrabook) and recorded something. So I
> created a track, using it with the Addictive Keys or KORG Legacy and
> recorded something.
>
> Because I'm just starting with virtual instruments and with creating music
> since a long time, I parallel learn the MPC workflow and Reaper as well.
> What I want to do is using Reaper on the move to capture ideas and the MPC
> for creating the rest of it. But for the future, it's necessary for me to
> understand both solutions.
>
> Maybe the Reaper manual is helpful, there is any I think. But not in
German
> at the time I guess...
>
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> --
> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:50 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>
> Any Daw, like Sonar, Reaper, you begin by enabling your sound card for
audio
> and midi.
> Then there are rules about the tracks.
> You select a track by arrowing up or down to it.
> To Record you must arm a track.
> Please tell us what sound card you will use  for audio and midi.
> How much of this have you done already in Reaper?
> Indi
>
> On 6/26/2013 5:28 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> this are interesting thoughts about Groove Boxes. But I ask by myself
>> if there is a way to create drum patterns and loop them in Reaper. So
>> my personal problem is as follows:
>>
>> The MPC is based on use like a drum machine. So I have the strictly
>> pre-defined workflow: Creating sequences (vs. patterns) with several
>> tracks, mix them to create a song. The same like my old Roland TR-505
>> or Korg DDM-110, DDD-1 and so on. By the way, on DDD-1 I created a
>> song based on cowbells and bass lines with the maximum of 14 pads. ;)
>>
>> In Reaper, or other musician programs, I am a little confused about
>> the main window, the tracks and don't know what I can do or how I can
>> start. So I have many things to learn. ;)
>>
>>
>> Viele Grüße
>>
>> --
>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of T.Reid
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>>
>> Regarding Poise, I've been exchanging messages with Shannon, the
> developer.
>> He is very interested in making the product more accessible. It's
>> usable with the Jaws cursor since many of the options are accessible
>> from right clicks on the graphic.
>>
>> I had a little sighted assistance to make a few HSC spots  which move
>> to a pad and right click allowing me to paste a sample onto a pad...
>>
>> Shannon is planning on downloading Jaws and possibly other screen
>> readers to see exactly how they respond. He is also making some
>> changes now like putting pad dependent features in the right click menu.
>>
>> For me it is already worth the 50 bucks, but after some additional
>> access enhancements I think it will be a no brainer.
>>
>> t
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:36 AM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: [RWP] Groove Boxes, was Original Music
>>
>> I think that's right, the simple way Reaper works is like a groove box
>> in many ways.
>> Yesterday, I found a groove box VST plug called CereDrum.
>> Do you know that one?
>> It's free, has a sequencer, 4 drum kits to choose among; plus a bass
>> synthesizer.
>> I haven't had an opportunity to try it yet, but I might get lucky and
>> find it to be in text.
>> Actually, my Casio XW-G1 keyboard is exactly like running a groove
>> box; very much like the old Roland MC-505 and MC-307 I had previously;
>> but easier than they were.
>> There is a 16 pad VST sample player called Poise; that was written by
>> a long time MPC user, that does most of what the Akai MPC does.
>> You can drag/drop or paste samples, loops, anything onto its 16
>> virtual pads, and assign the pads to keyboard keys, hardware pads,
> whatever.
>> Unfortunately, its screen graphics are not labeled; otherwise it would
>> be easy to run.
>>
>> CereDrum doesn't play samples; unless you can maybe substitute your
>> own samples for its onboard drum kits, but I'll post a link to
>> CereDrum if it's accessible.
>> Indi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2013 1:30 PM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>> No, I can use a 6x lens and I can see the cursor position. Amazing is
>>> that the cursor has fixed positions so you can count by pressing the
>> cursor keys.
>>> If you go left, you will reach the top left of the screen and keep
>>> this position. The same while walking with Cursor right to bottom
>>> right. So it gives me the real feel of a real hardware device but
>>> with much more power and benefits.
>>>
>>> I connected Akai on this because if the display of the MPC could be
>>> mirrored as a text window on the computer, it would be accessible
>>> because most elements are text-based. The software itself which you
>>> can alternatively use is full graphical, with NVDA you have no access.
>>>
>>> I think that this workflow in general is useful for those who know
>>> the old hardware sequencers without any overdozed interfaces.
>>>
>>>
>>> Viele Grüße
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:11 PM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>
>>> Stephan, have you used the MPC without sight?
>>>
>>> Those are very interesting to me, especially now that they finally
>>> got
>>> 24 bit samples, but I haven't met any blind users of the Akai MPC.
>>>
>>> I have wanted to buy the Native Instruments Maschine, but think it
>>> may be not so easy to run without being able to constantly look at the
> screen.
>>> I know for certain that some selections in Maschine must be made from
>>> the screen, such as browsing to samples to load them I don't think I
>>> could even get samples loaded onto pads.
>>> How much do you need to do in the Akai MPC that would be easier with
>>> sight, or is it also impossible without seeing?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Indi.
>>>
>>> On 6/24/2013 10:27 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is helpful as well, because I forgot the fact about the scripts
>>>> which are available. ;-) That means in general that some guys made
>>>> thoughts about making it accessible. This I think does the ReaAccess
>>>> project as well, but AFAIK the scripts for Sonar are not for free,
>>>> so they have a commercial touch or in other words, the functionality
>>>> is more
>>> expected.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I have seen and my hope is, that I can use Reaper as a MIDI
>>>> sequencer for my new VST instruments. If this works as I expect, it
>>>> is enough for me. I’d never played around with audio mixing and
>>>> syncing audio tracks with MIDI and so on. I like the workflow of my
>>>> MPC, that’s it
>>> like I know from the 80ies.
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Brian
>>>> Casey
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:21 PM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is hard to say,  because I rely on sonar to make my living in
>>>> my studio, it is the daw that I know best by far, and I also use the
>>>> CakeTalking scripts, so I don't have the most balanced opinion on
>>>> the matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Others have opinions on which is better and why, but really I am
>>>> just used to sonar and the plug-ins that come with it, and I don't
>>>> have time to fully
>>>>
>>>> investigate reaper and I don't have the time to find out if I can do
>>>> all the same things as quickly with reaper.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, that's not very helpful but I don't want to go telling
>>>> someone sonar is better or worse when I don't know reaper fully,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do think sonar might have better synths that come with the
>>>> producer version, but access to those depends on using CakeTalking,
>>>> jSonar scripts or some other HSC sets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>> From: Stephan Merk <mailto:dl7fos at hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:13 PM
>>>>
>>>> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers' <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what do you think is on Sonar better? I read sometimes that blind
>>>> people using Sonar but I didn’t tried it out, too expensive for my
>>>> needs. ;) However, Sonar is Cakewaalk and they purchased the Voyetra
>>>> Sequencing products which I was using 20 years ago
 ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: RWP [ <mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com>
>>>> mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Brian Casey
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:18 PM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've posted these tracks on the midi mag list before, but heres my
>>>> sound cloud with some original material I finished recently,, 95% of
>>>> the instrumentation etc is me, and I did all the mixing also. Its
>>>> all done in sonar though because I'm still afraid of reaper!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/briancaseymusic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate any listens greatly,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jim Snowbarger <mailto:Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:47 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [RWP] Original Music
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey, let's each one of us who can, contribute a link to a recording
>>>> of a song that we actually wrote ourselves, and primarily, and
>>>> hopefully entirely, performed.  One track per person.  Pick a track
>>>> that really says you, and throw it in the pot.  Let's find out who
>>>> we are
>> musically.
>>>>
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