[RWP] Strings and stuff, was Re: My metronome question

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Wed Jun 26 07:37:17 EDT 2013 

I can imagine what that stringed Moog thing could do.
I love the Moogish basses, at least that's what I call those gnarley 
snarley basses.
I remember the very first synthesizer I heard was a Moog.
It started out a cello; then slip slid over to a flute; then 
transitioned seamlessly to a sort of horn or something unnameable;and I 
knew the world of music would never be the same again.
I remember the discussion that follow the demo, where musicologists 
argued that since a synthesizer could so easily make any sound; in time 
noone would work to stretch the bounderies of the sounds an acoustic 
instrument can make with pieces of wood, gut and horsehair, for instance.
Most of what they predicted came to pass.
How many saxes, violins; flutes do you hear now compared to synthesizers?
I don't mind, myself, since I love new sounds only a synth can make; not 
a fan of acoustic instruments imitated on synths, though.
There's nothing like the real thing, baby!
Indi

On 6/25/2013 11:46 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
> Oh yeah. They had the sustainer guitar running through the full
> compliment of Moogerfooger effects. With certain combinations, you'd
> never know it was ever a guitar in the first place. I was a fan of their
> delay unit, and the MidiMurf, which is a cluster of 8 analog filters
> with midi control and a little step sequencer to step through the
> filters with envelope curves for all.
>
> On 6/25/2013 11:40 AM, Indigo wrote:
>> The Infinite Guitar, by Michael Brooks, I believe ; sounded more like a
>> synth than a guitar, since the notes didn't die away at all.
>> He fed them through the same effects any keyboardist would.
>> It's those wonderful harmonics that make steel guitar strings so
>> interesting.
>> I've heard imitations of harmonics on keyboard synths, nothing like the
>> real thing, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2013 11:30 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> I played a Moog sustainer guitar a few months ago at the Moog showroom
>>> in Ashville. It's like having twelve built-in E-bows, as you have two
>>> magnetic fields for each string, with piezos that listen to the
>>> individual strings, and intelligently figures out which one you're
>>> fretting at the time to determine which string should be sustained, or
>>> you can just have them all sustain at once. Tons of harmonic
>>> possibilities. This is combined with a set of hum bucking pick-ups. You
>>> can blend the piezo and magnetic output as well.
>>> It even does electro-magnetic envelope curves, starting with the initial
>>> attack of the string. Really fun to play, and, of course, not cheap. I
>>> think the baby one started at a bit over $2000, and they went as high as
>>> 6 or 7 grand.
>>> I'm also not much of a guitarist, though I am practicing more now that I
>>> have a good electric to play with, in this case, an Epiphone ES-339 pro,
>>> and a Schecter diamond series guitar that my sister-in-law left here
>>> almost 8 years ago, and hasn't wanted back yet.
>>>
>>> On 6/25/2013 10:08 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>> I can't easily get 10 strings, but don't care so much how many strings
>>>> it has, 6 is enough.
>>>> What I'd really like is a virtual Chapman Stick; with just a touch
>>>> sensing fretboard; no strings at all, and USB out transmitting note
>>>> data, but haven't found  such an interface anywhere.
>>>> I'm no kind of real guitarist, but I love limited playing, finger
>>>> picking with partial capos, alternative tunings, and drumming on
>>>> strings, as if it was just another keyboard layout.
>>>> I have some large diameter timber bamboo.
>>>> I was thinking of slicing off the sides of the electric guitar body,
>>>> opening up the center of what's left of the body, glueing half of a big
>>>> section of bamboo onto the bottom as a resonator chamber
>>>> I can't remember who was the guitarist; Michael Brooks maybe; who built
>>>> the Infinite Guitar, with a magnetic device that buzzed the strings to
>>>> keep them sustaining endlessly; similar to a built in E-Bow.
>>>> I have a small but very powerful speaker driver that I could put in the
>>>> bottom end down in the bamboo; just below the strings.
>>>> I could feed that speaker with the output of the amp and; I think, get
>>>> an endless feedback going that would keep the strings sustaining
>>>> forever.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2013 6:08 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>> I want a Chapman Stick, but can't afford one, so I'm interested in
>>>>> what
>>>>> you end up doing. Those guys are awesome enough to own stick.com, so
>>>>> that in and of itself is just cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/24/2013 5:55 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>> Patrick, after you told us about the piezo speakers in holiday cards,
>>>>>> I've been saving those, but this time I need about 12 of the same
>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>> to mount a tiny distance below each of 6 strings; probably near the
>>>>>> bridge and about halfway along the string length.
>>>>>> I'm going to massacre a Korean V M I electric guitar to make a
>>>>>> sort of
>>>>>> chapman stick thingy, so I can happily drum on its fret board
>>>>>> I'll probably saw off both sides of the body so it's a real stick
>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>> I expect the guitarist here are cringing in horror, but believe me
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one will be  no loss to the guitar world as a conventional guitar,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> could make a great Chapmanesque stick.
>>>>>> Either piezo electrics, or I could compare their cost to a single
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> great humbucker pickup.
>>>>>> Anybody got one of those they'd sell me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>> On 6/24/2013 1:24 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> Radio Shack used to cell piezos in little plastic enclosures meant
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> used as small buzzer speakers. Take it out of the plastic and have
>>>>>>> fun.
>>>>>>> Maybe they still do.
>>>>>>> I have some piezos that are just exposed on one side with a plastic
>>>>>>> backing on the other side, with a thin cable leading to a 1/4th
>>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>>> Ultra-generic pick-ups with little clip mounts with screw
>>>>>>> holes/adhesive
>>>>>>> backing to attach the jack's housing to instruments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To keep this on topic, you should always play your metronome
>>>>>>> through a
>>>>>>> piezo transducer. Yeah. That. Don't use your mailbox as a vocal
>>>>>>> microphone, as fun as it may seem at the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/24/2013 1:15 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Patrick.
>>>>>>>> I've been mostly experimenting and learning recently, so haven't
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> using metronome, but think I will soon.
>>>>>>>> Did you see my post asking you about piezo transducers to go under
>>>>>>>> guitar strings?
>>>>>>>> I don't mean commercial piezo pickups to place inside a guitar tone
>>>>>>>> hole
>>>>>>>> or under a bridge, hopefully a tiny not costly piezo transducer I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> afford to buy a dozen of, Radio Shack, online, whatever.
>>>>>>>> I'd like them to pick up the least drumming or touch of each
>>>>>>>> string,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> not pick up room sounds like a microphone.
>>>>>>>> Got any ideas?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/24/2013 12:35 PM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If you want the metronome to be turned on by default for a new
>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>> (metronome settings are saved in projects, not in Reaper's global
>>>>>>>>> settings,) open a new project, turn the metronome on, then go to
>>>>>>>>> file >
>>>>>>>>> project settings, or press alt+enter to get to the same dialogue.
>>>>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>>> press the "save as default project settings..." button. Now, when
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> open a new Reaper project, your metronome will already be
>>>>>>>>> active. If
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> change the metronome sound or volume, these settings will also be
>>>>>>>>> saved.
>>>>>>>>> For example, I changed the stock metronome sounds to those of the
>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>> square waves from the Casio VL-tone 1's drum section, just to be a
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can, of course, make any other change you want to your new
>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>> before saving as default project settings. If, for example, you
>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>> want to start with four audio tracks and four midi tracks
>>>>>>>>> routed in
>>>>>>>>> specific ways, you can set that up first, then save that as your
>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>> loading template. Then those tracks will be there when you open a
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/24/2013 11:58 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There is a toggle metronome in the ReaAccess shortcuts,.
>>>>>>>>>> It's something plus the letter M.
>>>>>>>>>> Press F12 to turn Learn Mode on and check out the ReaAccess
>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts.
>>>>>>>>>> Press F12 again to return to normal mode.
>>>>>>>>>> I just enable the metronome in options menu, haven't got it to
>>>>>>>>>> toggle on
>>>>>>>>>> and off when I want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/24/2013 9:15 AM, Stephan Merk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> my question regarding the metronome was not answered till
>>>>>>>>>>> now, if
>>>>>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>> in this... ;)
>>>>>>>>>>> I asked if there is a chance to set the metronome on in
>>>>>>>>>>> general so
>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>> not ever have to turn it on after I am starting Reaper...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Viele Grüße
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Stephan Merk, www.merkst.de
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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