[RWP] question
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jun 21 10:29:37 EDT 2013
Exactly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] question
> I'd say one issue that'd create is the headache of juggling extra
> tracks, and potentially the extra load of duplicating plugs on those
> tracks if you're processing through some stuff that wouldn't be
> appropriate on a folder. If I were mixing a project with say 60
> tracks, I wouldn't want to add a bunch more which would slow down my
> navigation around the project and stretch the computer even further.
> Even if you're not heavily reliant on automation, by the time you've
> taken this approach across the majority of instruments, some of them
> multi-miced, you're looking at adding a minimum of 20 tracks just for
> a couple of pesky automation moves.
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> I haven't learned much about audio yet, but what if you split off x Y
>> and z, then moved those 3 segments onto their own tracks?
>> Wouldn't it be easier to get their automation right if you set their
>> volumes as items, than if treating them as a track?
>> I mean, they all still play seamlessly in series when on separate
>> tracks; to me it's just easier to treat them as items.
>> Please inform me if this creates any issues I don't know about yet?
>> Thanks,
>> Indi
>>
>> On 6/19/2013 9:57 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to the
>>> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to do.
>>> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
>>> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment. It
>>> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
>>> prior to the second segment.
>>> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
>>> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
>>> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
>>> something that is not efficient. <grin>
>>> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and struggling
>>> for the optimal result.
>>>
>>> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
>>> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this order.
>>> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y
>>> follows it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is too
>>> loud.
>>>
>>> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
>>> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume
>>> mercifully down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring volume
>>> back to normal.
>>>
>>> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x, and
>>> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch out,
>>> of course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at
>>> the same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
>>> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just ahead
>>> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that automation
>>> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of z
>>> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>>>
>>> Reflect reality?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>>>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted, the
>>>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>>>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>>>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>>>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>>>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>>>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>>>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>>>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>>>
>>>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every
>>>>> time
>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>>>> behavior
>>>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work if
>>>>> I work
>>>>>
>>>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll try
>>>>> and
>>>>> fill between the two points.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> More reaper madness.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this
>>>>> too, or
>>>>> somebody did.
>>>>>
>>>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point
>>>>> prior to
>>>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with automation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track and
>>>>> to have
>>>>>
>>>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to sound
>>>>> good
>>>>> and not click,
>>>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you
>>>>> want to
>>>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well,
>>>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>>>> file,
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>>>> or w?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they won't
>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you render
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted to
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able to
>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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