[RWP] question
Indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Fri Jun 21 05:53:36 EDT 2013
You make me interested in ReaConsole.
I think I'll explore that after some other things are out of the way.
Thanks,
Indi
On 6/21/2013 5:34 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> I've got the Alphatrack, which is basically Transports take on the
> Fader Port you mentioned. Very similar concept, I just preferred the
> design of the Alpha a bit and the motorised fader seemed a bit
> quieter. It was a life saver for some jobs recording and doing some
> edits on the fly in a live environment. Couldn't get much to happen in
> the way of speech feedback while I was triggering actions from the
> thing if memory serves, but tbh coming from the Pro Tools school of
> thought like I do, that was a blessing lol. ReaAccess talks a bit much
> for my liking, but again, that's all down to taste. I haven't really
> used the Alphatrack since discovering ReaConsole, should dust it off
> and check it still works.
>
> Scott
>
> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>> This Novation Nocturn and Automap supposedly will control Reaper's
>> mixer, but I don't know what that means yet.
>> I really prefer working from the qwerty keyboard as far as selecting
>> tracks, muting, etcetera goes.
>> I like the comfort of speech confirmation.
>> I guess it could be nice to arm a track from a control surface button;
>> certainly to have it there waiting to write volume automation, I just
>> dreaded having anything take over Reaper and shove ReaAccess aside, but;
>> so far;AutoMap isn't doing that.
>> I'll eventually look at what it does in the mixer.
>>
>> I would think maybe something like the Presonus FaderPort would be
>> useful for speeding up your production for customers.
>> It has just 1 motorized 100mm fader, 1 pan knob, and twenty or more
>> dedicated buttons.
>> You could mute a track, arm a track, select track, select loops, find
>> markers, and more I can't remember; all from the FaderPort's buttons
>> According to the Cockos forums, it works perfectly in Reaper; with only
>> the output button having an unexpected action.
>> Instead of going to the mixer section, which it does in Cubase or some
>> other daw, in Reaper the output button flips the actions of pan knob and
>> volume fader; so you could use the motorized fader for panning if you
>> want, not such a bad thing.
>> Many long time audio engineers commented that it is like the essentials
>> of a pro studio desk in a 5 by 9 inch panel; and definitely speeds up
>> their production, for about $130.
>> I'm still wondering if I could find space for 1 of those somewhere close
>> to my keyboard.
>> Indi
>>
>> On 6/21/2013 4:41 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> Sure, and when it's my own stuff I'm working on, there's a lot to be
>>> said for that mindset of committing early and keeping moving. For
>>> whatever reason though I'm getting more hours in mixing for other
>>> people than creating my own music nowadays, and in those instances the
>>> customer has to almost always be right, whether they actually are or
>>> not. Like you said it's all about taste, and their taste won't take
>>> into consideration the headache of me juggling a ton of extra tracks
>>> because our bolt-on solution didn't have the edges rounded off when it
>>> came to automation. That's my problem, not there's.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> I learned back in the 4 tracker and 8 tracker tape days to make mixing
>>>> decisions as I go.
>>>> If it sounds right, it is right.
>>>> Other folks might not think so, but that's their taste.
>>>> Of course you can freeze tracks, use stem tracks, to store stuff away
>>>> till later, to avoid making those final decisions, without adding more
>>>> effects load than the computer can bear.
>>>> I'm using a fast I7 on XP; and Reaper is so stingy with CPU use it never
>>>> goes beyond a couple of percent of what's available.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2013 4:09 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>> I'd say one issue that'd create is the headache of juggling extra
>>>>> tracks, and potentially the extra load of duplicating plugs on those
>>>>> tracks if you're processing through some stuff that wouldn't be
>>>>> appropriate on a folder. If I were mixing a project with say 60
>>>>> tracks, I wouldn't want to add a bunch more which would slow down my
>>>>> navigation around the project and stretch the computer even further.
>>>>> Even if you're not heavily reliant on automation, by the time you've
>>>>> taken this approach across the majority of instruments, some of them
>>>>> multi-miced, you're looking at adding a minimum of 20 tracks just for
>>>>> a couple of pesky automation moves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't learned much about audio yet, but what if you split off x Y
>>>>>> and z, then moved those 3 segments onto their own tracks?
>>>>>> Wouldn't it be easier to get their automation right if you set their
>>>>>> volumes as items, than if treating them as a track?
>>>>>> I mean, they all still play seamlessly in series when on separate
>>>>>> tracks; to me it's just easier to treat them as items.
>>>>>> Please inform me if this creates any issues I don't know about yet?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/19/2013 9:57 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>>> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to
>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
>>>>>>> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
>>>>>>> prior to the second segment.
>>>>>>> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
>>>>>>> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
>>>>>>> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
>>>>>>> something that is not efficient. <grin>
>>>>>>> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and
>>>>>>> struggling
>>>>>>> for the optimal result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
>>>>>>> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this
>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y
>>>>>>> follows it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> loud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
>>>>>>> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume
>>>>>>> mercifully down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring
>>>>>>> volume
>>>>>>> back to normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch
>>>>>>> out,
>>>>>>> of course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at
>>>>>>> the same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
>>>>>>> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just
>>>>>>> ahead
>>>>>>> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that
>>>>>>> automation
>>>>>>> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of
>>>>>>> z
>>>>>>> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reflect reality?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>>>>>>>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>>>>>>>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>>>>>>>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>>>>>>>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>>>>>>>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>>>>>>>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>>>>>>>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>>>>>>>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> I work
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll
>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> fill between the two points.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More reaper madness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>>>>>>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it
>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this
>>>>>>>>> too, or
>>>>>>>>> somebody did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point
>>>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with
>>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>>>>>>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>>>>>>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to
>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> and not click,
>>>>>>>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you
>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh well,
>>>>>>>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>>>>>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>>>>>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>>>>>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>> file,
>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>>>>>>>> or w?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they
>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>>>>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you
>>>>>>>>>>> render
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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