[RWP] question
Scott Chesworth
scottchesworth at gmail.com
Fri Jun 21 05:34:55 EDT 2013
I've got the Alphatrack, which is basically Transports take on the
Fader Port you mentioned. Very similar concept, I just preferred the
design of the Alpha a bit and the motorised fader seemed a bit
quieter. It was a life saver for some jobs recording and doing some
edits on the fly in a live environment. Couldn't get much to happen in
the way of speech feedback while I was triggering actions from the
thing if memory serves, but tbh coming from the Pro Tools school of
thought like I do, that was a blessing lol. ReaAccess talks a bit much
for my liking, but again, that's all down to taste. I haven't really
used the Alphatrack since discovering ReaConsole, should dust it off
and check it still works.
Scott
On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> This Novation Nocturn and Automap supposedly will control Reaper's
> mixer, but I don't know what that means yet.
> I really prefer working from the qwerty keyboard as far as selecting
> tracks, muting, etcetera goes.
> I like the comfort of speech confirmation.
> I guess it could be nice to arm a track from a control surface button;
> certainly to have it there waiting to write volume automation, I just
> dreaded having anything take over Reaper and shove ReaAccess aside, but;
> so far;AutoMap isn't doing that.
> I'll eventually look at what it does in the mixer.
>
> I would think maybe something like the Presonus FaderPort would be
> useful for speeding up your production for customers.
> It has just 1 motorized 100mm fader, 1 pan knob, and twenty or more
> dedicated buttons.
> You could mute a track, arm a track, select track, select loops, find
> markers, and more I can't remember; all from the FaderPort's buttons
> According to the Cockos forums, it works perfectly in Reaper; with only
> the output button having an unexpected action.
> Instead of going to the mixer section, which it does in Cubase or some
> other daw, in Reaper the output button flips the actions of pan knob and
> volume fader; so you could use the motorized fader for panning if you
> want, not such a bad thing.
> Many long time audio engineers commented that it is like the essentials
> of a pro studio desk in a 5 by 9 inch panel; and definitely speeds up
> their production, for about $130.
> I'm still wondering if I could find space for 1 of those somewhere close
> to my keyboard.
> Indi
>
> On 6/21/2013 4:41 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Sure, and when it's my own stuff I'm working on, there's a lot to be
>> said for that mindset of committing early and keeping moving. For
>> whatever reason though I'm getting more hours in mixing for other
>> people than creating my own music nowadays, and in those instances the
>> customer has to almost always be right, whether they actually are or
>> not. Like you said it's all about taste, and their taste won't take
>> into consideration the headache of me juggling a ton of extra tracks
>> because our bolt-on solution didn't have the edges rounded off when it
>> came to automation. That's my problem, not there's.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>> I learned back in the 4 tracker and 8 tracker tape days to make mixing
>>> decisions as I go.
>>> If it sounds right, it is right.
>>> Other folks might not think so, but that's their taste.
>>> Of course you can freeze tracks, use stem tracks, to store stuff away
>>> till later, to avoid making those final decisions, without adding more
>>> effects load than the computer can bear.
>>> I'm using a fast I7 on XP; and Reaper is so stingy with CPU use it never
>>> goes beyond a couple of percent of what's available.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2013 4:09 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> I'd say one issue that'd create is the headache of juggling extra
>>>> tracks, and potentially the extra load of duplicating plugs on those
>>>> tracks if you're processing through some stuff that wouldn't be
>>>> appropriate on a folder. If I were mixing a project with say 60
>>>> tracks, I wouldn't want to add a bunch more which would slow down my
>>>> navigation around the project and stretch the computer even further.
>>>> Even if you're not heavily reliant on automation, by the time you've
>>>> taken this approach across the majority of instruments, some of them
>>>> multi-miced, you're looking at adding a minimum of 20 tracks just for
>>>> a couple of pesky automation moves.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 6/21/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> I haven't learned much about audio yet, but what if you split off x Y
>>>>> and z, then moved those 3 segments onto their own tracks?
>>>>> Wouldn't it be easier to get their automation right if you set their
>>>>> volumes as items, than if treating them as a track?
>>>>> I mean, they all still play seamlessly in series when on separate
>>>>> tracks; to me it's just easier to treat them as items.
>>>>> Please inform me if this creates any issues I don't know about yet?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/19/2013 9:57 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>>>>>> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
>>>>>> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
>>>>>> prior to the second segment.
>>>>>> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
>>>>>> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
>>>>>> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
>>>>>> something that is not efficient. <grin>
>>>>>> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and
>>>>>> struggling
>>>>>> for the optimal result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
>>>>>> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y
>>>>>> follows it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> loud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
>>>>>> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume
>>>>>> mercifully down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring
>>>>>> volume
>>>>>> back to normal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch
>>>>>> out,
>>>>>> of course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at
>>>>>> the same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
>>>>>> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just
>>>>>> ahead
>>>>>> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that
>>>>>> automation
>>>>>> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of
>>>>>> z
>>>>>> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reflect reality?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>>>>>>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>>>>>>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>>>>>>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>>>>>>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>>>>>>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>>>>>>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>>>>>>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>>>>>>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> fill between the two points.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More reaper madness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>>>>>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this
>>>>>>>> too, or
>>>>>>>> somebody did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point
>>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with
>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>>>>>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>>>>>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> and not click,
>>>>>>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you
>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh well,
>>>>>>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>>>>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>>>>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>>>>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>>>>>>> file,
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>>>>>>> or w?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they
>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>>>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you
>>>>>>>>>> render
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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