[RWP] question
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 19 23:21:56 EDT 2013
I'll have to try it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] question
> Chris, cant you go to the second one on the time line, and insert a move
> like I described, to tell it that, from the end of the first one, until
> start of the second, to sstay put?
> Its unreasonable to think that anybody would do their automation moves
> sequentially.
> You might decide it insert the first one days later, and not want to screw
> up the latter one.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>
>
>> Yup, when you go back and try and edit an envelope it wants to draw a
>> curve to the next one.
>>
>> So the only way to have things stay put between points is to do them in
>> series going forward so far as I can tell.
>>
>> Next is to see what happens when you split items and mix with automation,
>> but even with clean splits,
>> I don't like to do one unlesss it's necessary, because
>> I can hear the crossfade, it might be smooth and pretty but I can tell
>> when items cross over well it depends on the material, so like when your
>> working on a two track mix, and you have sustained material, you'd have
>> to be careful.
>>
>> If your doing a vocal track or a guitar track which might have spaces and
>> phrases to work with splitting is easier.
>>
>> This is easier to demonstrate than explain, but I just had a song I split
>> in to 7 parts, doing volume changes and fixing some slight timing issues
>> and everything worked out till the seventh split, but then I saved it,
>> and the undo is gone, so I'm sure there's a way to get it right back
>> where it was, but
>> I'd rather bend my audio than break it if I can.
>>
>> Oh well, it gives me a chance to try other things I did split at
>> 0 crossing so theoretically I should be able to get things back to the
>> way they were if I can defeat that cross-fade reaper put on the head and
>> tail of each segment.
>>
>> There's like a fade in and a fade out and an auto-fade.
>>
>> So we'll see what happens when those are defeated, they default to 2
>> percent,
>> but I wonder what the auto-fade of for when you have a fade in and out
>> for each item.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>
>>
>>> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to the
>>> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to do.
>>> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
>>> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment. It
>>> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
>>> prior to the second segment.
>>> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
>>> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
>>> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
>>> something that is not efficient. <grin>
>>> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and struggling
>>> for the optimal result.
>>>
>>> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
>>> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this order.
>>> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y
>>> follows it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is too
>>> loud.
>>>
>>> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
>>> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume
>>> mercifully down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring volume
>>> back to normal.
>>>
>>> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x, and
>>> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch out,
>>> of course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at
>>> the same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
>>> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just ahead
>>> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that automation
>>> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of z
>>> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>>>
>>> Reflect reality?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>>>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted, the
>>>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>>>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>>>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>>>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>>>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>>>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>>>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>>>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>>>
>>>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every
>>>>> time
>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>>>> behavior
>>>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work if
>>>>> I work
>>>>>
>>>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll try
>>>>> and
>>>>> fill between the two points.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> More reaper madness.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this
>>>>> too, or
>>>>> somebody did.
>>>>>
>>>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point prior
>>>>> to
>>>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with automation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track and
>>>>> to have
>>>>>
>>>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to sound
>>>>> good
>>>>> and not click,
>>>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you
>>>>> want to
>>>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well,
>>>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>>>> file,
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>>>> or w?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they won't
>>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you render
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted to
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able to
>>>>>>> apply
>>>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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