[RWP] question
Jim Snowbarger
Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com
Wed Jun 19 23:08:35 EDT 2013
Chris, cant you go to the second one on the time line, and insert a move
like I described, to tell it that, from the end of the first one, until
start of the second, to sstay put?
Its unreasonable to think that anybody would do their automation moves
sequentially.
You might decide it insert the first one days later, and not want to screw
up the latter one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] question
> Yup, when you go back and try and edit an envelope it wants to draw a
> curve to the next one.
>
> So the only way to have things stay put between points is to do them in
> series going forward so far as I can tell.
>
> Next is to see what happens when you split items and mix with automation,
> but even with clean splits,
> I don't like to do one unlesss it's necessary, because
> I can hear the crossfade, it might be smooth and pretty but I can tell
> when items cross over well it depends on the material, so like when your
> working on a two track mix, and you have sustained material, you'd have to
> be careful.
>
> If your doing a vocal track or a guitar track which might have spaces and
> phrases to work with splitting is easier.
>
> This is easier to demonstrate than explain, but I just had a song I split
> in to 7 parts, doing volume changes and fixing some slight timing issues
> and everything worked out till the seventh split, but then I saved it,
> and the undo is gone, so I'm sure there's a way to get it right back where
> it was, but
> I'd rather bend my audio than break it if I can.
>
> Oh well, it gives me a chance to try other things I did split at
> 0 crossing so theoretically I should be able to get things back to the way
> they were if I can defeat that cross-fade reaper put on the head and tail
> of each segment.
>
> There's like a fade in and a fade out and an auto-fade.
>
> So we'll see what happens when those are defeated, they default to 2
> percent,
> but I wonder what the auto-fade of for when you have a fade in and out for
> each item.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>
>
>> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to the
>> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to do.
>> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
>> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment. It
>> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
>> prior to the second segment.
>> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
>> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
>> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
>> something that is not efficient. <grin>
>> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and struggling
>> for the optimal result.
>>
>> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
>> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this order.
>> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y
>> follows it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is too
>> loud.
>>
>> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
>> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume
>> mercifully down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring volume
>> back to normal.
>>
>> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x, and
>> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch out,
>> of course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at the
>> same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
>> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just ahead
>> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that automation
>> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of z
>> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>>
>> Reflect reality?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>
>>
>>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted, the
>>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>>
>>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every
>>>> time
>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>>
>>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>>> behavior
>>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work if I
>>>> work
>>>>
>>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll try
>>>> and
>>>> fill between the two points.
>>>>
>>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after all.
>>>>
>>>> More reaper madness.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it again.
>>>>
>>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this too,
>>>> or
>>>> somebody did.
>>>>
>>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>>
>>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>>
>>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point prior
>>>> to
>>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with automation.
>>>>
>>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>>
>>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track and to
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>>
>>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to sound
>>>> good
>>>> and not click,
>>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you want
>>>> to
>>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>>
>>>> Oh well,
>>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hth someone
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>>> file,
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>>> or w?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they won't
>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you render
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted to
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able to
>>>>>> apply
>>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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