[RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 19 22:46:38 EDT 2013 

ha ha.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?


>A moment you would be glad you could not use image search for sure lol
>
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>
>> I can just imagine what I'd get if I googled stretch marks 'grin'.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?
>>
>>
>>> Maybe you could Google Stretch Marks, which will let you move all the 
>>> transcients; loud places; in the track to the nearest stretch marker in 
>>> a single action.
>>> You could make an audio track with clicks on it; like place a single 
>>> kick drum beat at the beginning of measure 1, beat 1, then stretch it as 
>>> an item so it would repeat at every beat.
>>> You'd need to create such a click track exactly as long as your present 
>>> drum track.
>>> Then somehow the Stretch Marks method will force your audio drum track 
>>> to fit the time on the click track.
>>> Stretch Marks is in the Reaper 4.4402 items menu, with a submenu to 
>>> place stretch marks, but I haven't found anything on how to use it.
>>> It's brand new, so the sighted users in the forums were just guessing, 
>>> same as us, on how to use it; when I looked, several weeks ago, but 
>>> there eventually should be more info on using it.
>>> When I google, I always start the search terms with cockos..reaper..
>>> then a very few words, like Stretch marks.
>>> If I don't include cockos I get hits on something called Don't Fear The 
>>> Grim Reaper, songs from a group named Grim Reaper, and piles of other 
>>> non related stuff.
>>>
>>> Later today I'll go try my luck to learn more about Stretch Marks.
>>> I really really want to do naughty things with it; like force the words 
>>> of a speech from some very pompous dignified official to the beat of a 
>>> really hip breakBeat.  smile.
>>> There's an app for the iPad that already does this; a real side 
>>> splitter!
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> Indi
>>> On 6/18/2013 6:49 PM, hadi wrote:
>>>> Well i should probably stop sending mails since i won't have the chance
>>>> to check out slip editting untill i'm at home, but i'm really curious
>>>> that how it works.
>>>> So i'm gonna clip out every single  miskick (the ones that are out of
>>>> the timing tempo) and nudge them one by one?
>>>> Isn't going to take more than one day for a song? since you have to 
>>>> clip
>>>> out every single kick, then actually bring up the nudge window... set
>>>> the position, then move the clip   left and right untill it fits the 
>>>> grid?
>>>> I assume there should be a shortcut also for nudging? pressing the 
>>>> space
>>>> and enter on  nudge left and nudge right kinda suck... in terms of
>>>> accessibility, also. since whenever i try pressing them, the clip 
>>>> begins
>>>> to play and pause.
>>>>
>>>> I'm checking out reaper on my laptop without any recording tools of 
>>>> course.
>>>> Oh, and about the looping,  what i'm going to record is mostly rock
>>>> music, so i don't think looping would be nice, except that maybe i 
>>>> found
>>>> myself lazy, or very bad at playing the drum on my keyboard. Maybe i
>>>> just need to practice that? i found  playing drum on time very hard on 
>>>> a
>>>> keyboard, specially when the duration goes over one minute...
>>>>
>>>> Oh and yeah, what indi said. just check out every rap and hiphop song..
>>>> stuff like justin beeber and rihana or whatever... and enjoy the
>>>> unending loops lol.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Hadi
>>>>
>>>> On 6/19/2013 2:34 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>> That's what you get in all the top 40 hits now, they make 1 perfect
>>>>> phrase, then repeat it again and again, sometimes treating it with
>>>>> different effects, sometimes not even bothering.
>>>>> I listen to many vocal tutorials taking a single vocal line, copying
>>>>> it to another track, delaying or stretching or shrinking it slightly,
>>>>> so it's not quite the same, then panning the two vocals hard left and
>>>>> right, and you have the typical vocal lead you hear in all the hits.
>>>>> TC Helicon's gear does this automatically, with their thickening
>>>>> setting, then adds harmonies above or below the original vocal line,
>>>>> all really just a single vocal treated in various ways.
>>>>> Done right it sounds good, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:04 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>> Yes once you have   slip edited one pass of the first  verse and have
>>>>>> it all on the grid, You can glue all the splits back together to make
>>>>>> it an item again and then set it to be a loop. Then instead of having
>>>>>> to slip edit the reast of the drums for the verses, you can delete
>>>>>> them and just set the number of times u want that first past to loop
>>>>>> for the length of the verse.  The downside to this is that a real
>>>>>> drummer never hits  the drums exactly the same way twice so the
>>>>>> natrual dynamic and feel may be lost. That  being said, by the time
>>>>>> the song is mixed  I doubt anyone willnoticed where a loop was used 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> most cases. Yes this method can be used for guitars and other
>>>>>> instruments . Though with guitars i usually just cut out the spot
>>>>>> thats bad, and find a place else where in the song where that guitar
>>>>>> part was  played well, copy it, and  paste it in the bad spot .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>> Thank you both for helping.
>>>>>>> @monkey pusher, wow! Thanks hugely for that great describtion, i 
>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>> some good explaination like this! i just  understand now how it's 
>>>>>>> gonna
>>>>>>> work. Actually, indigo's explaination made sense now, Because i 
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> didn't know what  would he mean by "forcing the clips to be aligned
>>>>>>> with  the nearest grid line"
>>>>>>>    just need to wait to get back home and start recording and 
>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>> with it. It  doesn't matter if it costs me time, i just want it to
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>> So, is it possible to loop an audio clip by  copying an item and 
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> some more instence of it? (specially drums). I think that was the 
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> that TheOreoMonster was pointing at at  his last reply?
>>>>>>> By the way, is it possible to use this method to fix some glitches 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> music? like, fixing a guitar that is playing,  and falls back and 
>>>>>>> forth
>>>>>>> of the time signeture?
>>>>>>> I think i need to just get reaper on my laptop and try to load some
>>>>>>> songs to it and try this untill i get back to home, because for sure
>>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>>> going to  have more questions once i start using this method. for
>>>>>>> example, i need to figure out how nudge feature would work, haven't
>>>>>>> used it at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks once again!
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:08 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>> Grid is the term used in DAWS usually meaning on the  beat or 
>>>>>>>> measure.
>>>>>>>> So alligning your drum track to teh grid is essentially syncing it 
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> to the proper tempo  or beat/measure. Items is the individual clips 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> audio on the tracks.  When  you import your drum tracks i it will
>>>>>>>> probably be one item on each track  You can play through the 
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> and  pause the  it at a place where you find something thats out of
>>>>>>>> sync. You can then press  the letter S to split the item on the
>>>>>>>> selected  track. (Up and down arrows to move through the track list
>>>>>>>> and select a track.)  Every time you press the letter S you create
>>>>>>>> another item on that track since you just created a split or break 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the item and its no longer  that one longfile. So create a split at
>>>>>>>> the start and end of the drum hit you want to move, then use the 
>>>>>>>> nudge
>>>>>>>> keyboard shortcut to nudge that hit forward or back on the timeline 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> small ammounts till its falls where it needs to be in sync with the
>>>>>>>> tempo of the song. This is time consuming and there is no auto 
>>>>>>>> mated
>>>>>>>> fix that work with any good results. Thee is a reason why people 
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> do this work charge good money for it. IF you become good at it and
>>>>>>>> can start doing it quickly  you could be one of those people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can also select multiple  tracks and items  at once to speed up
>>>>>>>> the process depending on the drum tracks you are editing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shift+up or down arrow selects each track as u move to it leaving 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> previous track selected.
>>>>>>>> Alt Left and Right arrows allow you to move through all clips or 
>>>>>>>> iTems
>>>>>>>> on a track.
>>>>>>>> Alt+Shift+left and right arrows allows you to move through items 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> select the m as you go .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once you have a group of tracks selected , you can use the nudge
>>>>>>>> commands to move all selected itmes on those tracks at the same 
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello guys
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying back
>>>>>>>>> First, regarding TheOreoMonster's post.
>>>>>>>>> I'm a DAW newb, i have no idea how actually to navigate within a
>>>>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>>>> and also, i don't know what are items and grids. Do i need to
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> cut my drum track to peaces or something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @indigo, i was hoping for an automated solution, i will have to 
>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>> strech markers out.
>>>>>>>>> However there's a problem and it seems that i completely suck at
>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> with reaper. i have no idea what shortcuts to use to move the 
>>>>>>>>> cursor
>>>>>>>>> within a track, and position the markers and time selections. i
>>>>>>>>> tried to
>>>>>>>>> figure out also what grids are but couldn't find anything.
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas that what documents should i study for 
>>>>>>>>> these? i
>>>>>>>>> tried googling some but they all lead to  amazon book, and payed
>>>>>>>>> courses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:17 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't got round to trying it yet, but in the latest Reaper
>>>>>>>>>> 4.4402
>>>>>>>>>> you got Stretch Marks, Which is both another visual means of
>>>>>>>>>> aligning
>>>>>>>>>> an audio track to visual marks, for sighted users; and also an
>>>>>>>>>> automatic method of forcing transcients of an audio track to be
>>>>>>>>>> aligned to another audio track's rhythm.
>>>>>>>>>> It's brand new, so you'll need to experiment with it, but; in the
>>>>>>>>>> Cockos forums; users were taking a spoken vocal track and forcing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> words to align with a rhythm track, instant rap in a single move
>>>>>>>>>> Stretch Marks is in the items menu; with a submenu to allow 
>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>> stretch marks to the grid.
>>>>>>>>>> All the daws are getting Stretch Markers, Reason just got them in
>>>>>>>>>> version 7.
>>>>>>>>>>  From what I've read; in the newest Reaper; ; if you had an
>>>>>>>>>> audio track
>>>>>>>>>> with clicks on it, that would do to align your drum track to 
>>>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>> timing.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know any more about it than that at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>> You can try the old method, which was to get Reaper to slice your
>>>>>>>>>> audio drum track into slices based on transcients, which is 
>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>> the kick drum, since it's the loudest drum most of the time.
>>>>>>>>>> Then, once you have the slices, you force them to align with the
>>>>>>>>>> nearest grid line.
>>>>>>>>>> You can set the grid to thirty secondths, sixteenths, eighths,
>>>>>>>>>> etcetera, in Reaper's quantize.
>>>>>>>>>> There is also a Snap to Grid setting in the options menu; where 
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can set the grid resolution.
>>>>>>>>>> Then; once the slices are on the proper timing;  you glue the 
>>>>>>>>>> slices
>>>>>>>>>> back together.
>>>>>>>>>> You can understand the advantage of the new Stretch marks method,
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> a single step; if you have a reference rhythm audio track that is
>>>>>>>>>> already in perfect timing.
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't done these yet, I've been concentrating on midi
>>>>>>>>>> editing, not
>>>>>>>>>> so much on audio editing.
>>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2013 7:53 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Same can be done by ears. split into items and use the nudge
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts. If you use SWS  you can set a preset nudge value for
>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>> 8 presets and assign them to keyboard shortcuts  This could 
>>>>>>>>>>> allow u
>>>>>>>>>>> to move quicker through things.  Saved me some time when lining 
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> some parts of a project where i was just sent all the files 
>>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>> of the actual project files.  Also to save time, use the above
>>>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>>>> to edit each part you need to the grid, then make loops out of
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> then u can stretch them for as many measures as you need and
>>>>>>>>>>> copy and
>>>>>>>>>>> paste them to various parts of the project.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:53 AM, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to record a drum with my workstation.  i output the
>>>>>>>>>>>> workstation's audio to reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a good drum player, thus my timings are not 100% right.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to do audio quantizing in reaper, so my drum and
>>>>>>>>>>>> rhythms become accurate?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did a google search, and i found this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=92816
>>>>>>>>>>>> so slicing and cutting sounds like that it would require eye 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sight
>>>>>>>>>>>> to match clips  with each other visually?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you help me out with this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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