[RWP] question
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 19 22:46:07 EDT 2013
Yup, when you go back and try and edit an envelope it wants to draw a curve
to the next one.
So the only way to have things stay put between points is to do them in
series going forward so far as I can tell.
Next is to see what happens when you split items and mix with automation,
but even with clean splits,
I don't like to do one unlesss it's necessary, because
I can hear the crossfade, it might be smooth and pretty but I can tell when
items cross over well it depends on the material, so like when your working
on a two track mix, and you have sustained material, you'd have to be
careful.
If your doing a vocal track or a guitar track which might have spaces and
phrases to work with splitting is easier.
This is easier to demonstrate than explain, but I just had a song I split in
to 7 parts, doing volume changes and fixing some slight timing issues and
everything worked out till the seventh split, but then I saved it,
and the undo is gone, so I'm sure there's a way to get it right back where
it was, but
I'd rather bend my audio than break it if I can.
Oh well, it gives me a chance to try other things I did split at
0 crossing so theoretically I should be able to get things back to the way
they were if I can defeat that cross-fade reaper put on the head and tail of
each segment.
There's like a fade in and a fade out and an auto-fade.
So we'll see what happens when those are defeated, they default to 2
percent,
but I wonder what the auto-fade of for when you have a fade in and out for
each item.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] question
> Regarding creating of envelopes from the end of one automation to the
> start of a next, in some ways, that seems like a reasonable thing to do.
> It would be the obvious way to bridge from the tail of one automation
> segment, through unautomated space, to the next automation segment. It
> would seem you could fix that by inserting a move to some volume just
> prior to the second segment.
> Let me try to be more clear about that, and I'll presume that, after
> spending the time to type this out, no long haired, sanctimonious
> professional will diss me for being a mere hobbiest and suggesting
> something that is not efficient. <grin>
> Ok fine about that. Too much of this is about piddling, and struggling
> for the optimal result.
>
> Anyway, does this seem reasonable?
> So, I got a time line, with three segments of interest, in this order.
> Segment x is first, and is where the vocal is too soft. Segment y follows
> it immediately, which lasts for some time, then segment z is too loud.
>
> The first one that happens to bug me is z.
> So, I punch in automation jjust ahead of z, and pull the volume mercifully
> down. After z, suppose I let it automatically bring volume back to
> normal.
>
> So, now I notice the problem at x. I punch automation ahead of x, and
> bring that volume up, so I can hear that soft vocal. When I punch out, of
> course it dropped back to normal. But, I decide I want y to be at the
> same volume as x. Keep it up there until we reach z.
> Remembering where I left volume at the end of x, I proceed to just ahead
> of z, pump the volume up to match the end of x, and drop that automation
> in. So, now, the envelope from end of x, through y, to just ahead of z
> will be a flat envelope, from one identical volume to the next.
>
> Reflect reality?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>
>
>> Pro Tools acts the same way with automation with things returning to
>> their pre-automated state after you've written a change. Granted, the
>> thing where Reaper is trying to fill between automation if you don't
>> work through the timeline in series does sound like madness yup. I
>> don't really have the experience to figure out what's going on with
>> that, sorry man. Item volume changes work here because I'm only
>> dealing with nudging instruments and vocals up a few DB for extra
>> impact etc, but yeah, definitely not a conducive workflow to achieve
>> what you're describing. I honestly can't imagine having the time or
>> patience to write a hundred moves to a vocal track lol.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/19/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Right, I just found that.
>>>
>>> When in doubt, go poking in the configuration settings, works every time
>>> 'grin'.
>>>
>>> Thank you kindly.
>>>
>>> I've been poking around with automation trying to get sonar like
>>> behavior
>>> with snapshots that stay put, and so far I can only make this work if I
>>> work
>>>
>>> in series, but if I go back and insert an envelope point, it'll try and
>>> fill between the two points.
>>>
>>> I thought I'd fixed that by going to touch mode, but not so after all.
>>>
>>> More reaper madness.
>>>
>>> By the way, I asked our buddy Ross how cubass acts,
>>> he says automation stays put how you set it till you change it again.
>>>
>>> So which daws act like reaper, you'd mentioned other daws did this too,
>>> or
>>> somebody did.
>>>
>>> That just seems nuts to me.
>>>
>>> But I guess it's all in how you like to work.
>>>
>>> I guess for now each time I wanted to insert an automation point prior
>>> to
>>> another one, I could render the track and start over with automation.
>>>
>>> Or fall back on item split volume changes.
>>>
>>> But that's so aggressive for doing volume changes,
>>> I might have as many as a hundred moves on a dynamic vocal track and to
>>> have
>>>
>>> to slice up that many times well, you get the idea.
>>>
>>> And even with reaper's great crossfading,
>>> you still need to hit the 0 crossing sometimes to get things to sound
>>> good
>>> and not click,
>>> and usually you can get a 0 crossing point very close to where you want
>>> to
>>> change an item volume, but not always.
>>>
>>> I've seen it be as much as a quarter second up or down stream.
>>>
>>> Oh well,
>>> back to the grindstone.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you don't want Reaper to move you to the end of whatever you've
>>>> just pasted or inserted onto a track, that's easily fixed. In
>>>> preferences, go down to Editing Behaviour in the tree view, and
>>>> uncheck the Move edit cursor when pasting/inserting media setting.
>>>>
>>>> Hth someone
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Reaper for some strange reason always lands you at the end of the
>>>>> file,
>>>>> did
>>>>> you hit home and spacebar to make sure?
>>>>> or w?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ah ok, now when I've imported them for some reason they won't play.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Chris Belle
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You really don't want to edit mp3s,
>>>>> you can import them just like a wav file, but when you render them
>>>>> back
>>>>> you are rendering a lossy format and you will loose quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the answer is yes, if you really want to.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Doug Oliver
>>>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
>>>>> Subject: [RWP] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hello everyone, I'm a new user to reaper, and wanted to know
>>>>> is
>>>>> there a way to edit mp3 files in reaper? as I wanted to be able to
>>>>> apply
>>>>> different affects to them.
>>>>> Let me know?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
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