[RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?

TheOreoMonster monkeypusher69 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 19 21:58:09 EDT 2013 

A moment you would be glad you could not use image search for sure lol

On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Chris Belle wrote:

> I can just imagine what I'd get if I googled stretch marks 'grin'.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?
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>> Maybe you could Google Stretch Marks, which will let you move all the transcients; loud places; in the track to the nearest stretch marker in a single action.
>> You could make an audio track with clicks on it; like place a single kick drum beat at the beginning of measure 1, beat 1, then stretch it as an item so it would repeat at every beat.
>> You'd need to create such a click track exactly as long as your present drum track.
>> Then somehow the Stretch Marks method will force your audio drum track to fit the time on the click track.
>> Stretch Marks is in the Reaper 4.4402 items menu, with a submenu to place stretch marks, but I haven't found anything on how to use it.
>> It's brand new, so the sighted users in the forums were just guessing, same as us, on how to use it; when I looked, several weeks ago, but there eventually should be more info on using it.
>> When I google, I always start the search terms with cockos..reaper..
>> then a very few words, like Stretch marks.
>> If I don't include cockos I get hits on something called Don't Fear The Grim Reaper, songs from a group named Grim Reaper, and piles of other non related stuff.
>> 
>> Later today I'll go try my luck to learn more about Stretch Marks.
>> I really really want to do naughty things with it; like force the words of a speech from some very pompous dignified official to the beat of a really hip breakBeat.  smile.
>> There's an app for the iPad that already does this; a real side splitter!
>> Indi
>> 
>> 
>> Indi
>> On 6/18/2013 6:49 PM, hadi wrote:
>>> Well i should probably stop sending mails since i won't have the chance
>>> to check out slip editting untill i'm at home, but i'm really curious
>>> that how it works.
>>> So i'm gonna clip out every single  miskick (the ones that are out of
>>> the timing tempo) and nudge them one by one?
>>> Isn't going to take more than one day for a song? since you have to clip
>>> out every single kick, then actually bring up the nudge window... set
>>> the position, then move the clip   left and right untill it fits the grid?
>>> I assume there should be a shortcut also for nudging? pressing the space
>>> and enter on  nudge left and nudge right kinda suck... in terms of
>>> accessibility, also. since whenever i try pressing them, the clip begins
>>> to play and pause.
>>> 
>>> I'm checking out reaper on my laptop without any recording tools of course.
>>> Oh, and about the looping,  what i'm going to record is mostly rock
>>> music, so i don't think looping would be nice, except that maybe i found
>>> myself lazy, or very bad at playing the drum on my keyboard. Maybe i
>>> just need to practice that? i found  playing drum on time very hard on a
>>> keyboard, specially when the duration goes over one minute...
>>> 
>>> Oh and yeah, what indi said. just check out every rap and hiphop song..
>>> stuff like justin beeber and rihana or whatever... and enjoy the
>>> unending loops lol.
>>> Cheers
>>> Hadi
>>> 
>>> On 6/19/2013 2:34 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>> That's what you get in all the top 40 hits now, they make 1 perfect
>>>> phrase, then repeat it again and again, sometimes treating it with
>>>> different effects, sometimes not even bothering.
>>>> I listen to many vocal tutorials taking a single vocal line, copying
>>>> it to another track, delaying or stretching or shrinking it slightly,
>>>> so it's not quite the same, then panning the two vocals hard left and
>>>> right, and you have the typical vocal lead you hear in all the hits.
>>>> TC Helicon's gear does this automatically, with their thickening
>>>> setting, then adds harmonies above or below the original vocal line,
>>>> all really just a single vocal treated in various ways.
>>>> Done right it sounds good, though.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:04 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>> Yes once you have   slip edited one pass of the first  verse and have
>>>>> it all on the grid, You can glue all the splits back together to make
>>>>> it an item again and then set it to be a loop. Then instead of having
>>>>> to slip edit the reast of the drums for the verses, you can delete
>>>>> them and just set the number of times u want that first past to loop
>>>>> for the length of the verse.  The downside to this is that a real
>>>>> drummer never hits  the drums exactly the same way twice so the
>>>>> natrual dynamic and feel may be lost. That  being said, by the time
>>>>> the song is mixed  I doubt anyone willnoticed where a loop was used in
>>>>> most cases. Yes this method can be used for guitars and other
>>>>> instruments . Though with guitars i usually just cut out the spot
>>>>> thats bad, and find a place else where in the song where that guitar
>>>>> part was  played well, copy it, and  paste it in the bad spot .
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>> Thank you both for helping.
>>>>>> @monkey pusher, wow! Thanks hugely for that great describtion, i needed
>>>>>> some good explaination like this! i just  understand now how it's gonna
>>>>>> work. Actually, indigo's explaination made sense now, Because i really
>>>>>> didn't know what  would he mean by "forcing the clips to be aligned
>>>>>> with  the nearest grid line"
>>>>>>    just need to wait to get back home and start recording and playing
>>>>>> with it. It  doesn't matter if it costs me time, i just want it to
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> So, is it possible to loop an audio clip by  copying an item and making
>>>>>> some more instence of it? (specially drums). I think that was the thing
>>>>>> that TheOreoMonster was pointing at at  his last reply?
>>>>>> By the way, is it possible to use this method to fix some glitches in
>>>>>> music? like, fixing a guitar that is playing,  and falls back and forth
>>>>>> of the time signeture?
>>>>>> I think i need to just get reaper on my laptop and try to load some
>>>>>> songs to it and try this untill i get back to home, because for sure
>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>> going to  have more questions once i start using this method. for
>>>>>> example, i need to figure out how nudge feature would work, haven't
>>>>>> used it at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks once again!
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:08 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>> Grid is the term used in DAWS usually meaning on the  beat or measure.
>>>>>>> So alligning your drum track to teh grid is essentially syncing it up
>>>>>>> to the proper tempo  or beat/measure. Items is the individual clips of
>>>>>>> audio on the tracks.  When  you import your drum tracks i it will
>>>>>>> probably be one item on each track  You can play through the project
>>>>>>> and  pause the  it at a place where you find something thats out of
>>>>>>> sync. You can then press  the letter S to split the item on the
>>>>>>> selected  track. (Up and down arrows to move through the track list
>>>>>>> and select a track.)  Every time you press the letter S you create
>>>>>>> another item on that track since you just created a split or break in
>>>>>>> the item and its no longer  that one longfile. So create a split at
>>>>>>> the start and end of the drum hit you want to move, then use the nudge
>>>>>>> keyboard shortcut to nudge that hit forward or back on the timeline in
>>>>>>> small ammounts till its falls where it needs to be in sync with the
>>>>>>> tempo of the song. This is time consuming and there is no auto mated
>>>>>>> fix that work with any good results. Thee is a reason why people who
>>>>>>> do this work charge good money for it. IF you become good at it and
>>>>>>> can start doing it quickly  you could be one of those people.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can also select multiple  tracks and items  at once to speed up
>>>>>>> the process depending on the drum tracks you are editing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Shift+up or down arrow selects each track as u move to it leaving the
>>>>>>> previous track selected.
>>>>>>> Alt Left and Right arrows allow you to move through all clips or iTems
>>>>>>> on a track.
>>>>>>> Alt+Shift+left and right arrows allows you to move through items and
>>>>>>> select the m as you go .
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Once you have a group of tracks selected , you can use the nudge
>>>>>>> commands to move all selected itmes on those tracks at the same time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello guys
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying back
>>>>>>>> First, regarding TheOreoMonster's post.
>>>>>>>> I'm a DAW newb, i have no idea how actually to navigate within a
>>>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>>> and also, i don't know what are items and grids. Do i need to
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> cut my drum track to peaces or something?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> @indigo, i was hoping for an automated solution, i will have to check
>>>>>>>> strech markers out.
>>>>>>>> However there's a problem and it seems that i completely suck at
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> with reaper. i have no idea what shortcuts to use to move the cursor
>>>>>>>> within a track, and position the markers and time selections. i
>>>>>>>> tried to
>>>>>>>> figure out also what grids are but couldn't find anything.
>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas that what documents should i study for these? i
>>>>>>>> tried googling some but they all lead to  amazon book, and payed
>>>>>>>> courses.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:17 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I haven't got round to trying it yet, but in the latest Reaper
>>>>>>>>> 4.4402
>>>>>>>>> you got Stretch Marks, Which is both another visual means of
>>>>>>>>> aligning
>>>>>>>>> an audio track to visual marks, for sighted users; and also an
>>>>>>>>> automatic method of forcing transcients of an audio track to be
>>>>>>>>> aligned to another audio track's rhythm.
>>>>>>>>> It's brand new, so you'll need to experiment with it, but; in the
>>>>>>>>> Cockos forums; users were taking a spoken vocal track and forcing
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> words to align with a rhythm track, instant rap in a single move
>>>>>>>>> Stretch Marks is in the items menu; with a submenu to allow setting
>>>>>>>>> stretch marks to the grid.
>>>>>>>>> All the daws are getting Stretch Markers, Reason just got them in
>>>>>>>>> version 7.
>>>>>>>>>  From what I've read; in the newest Reaper; ; if you had an
>>>>>>>>> audio track
>>>>>>>>> with clicks on it, that would do to align your drum track to perfect
>>>>>>>>> timing.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know any more about it than that at the moment.
>>>>>>>>> You can try the old method, which was to get Reaper to slice your
>>>>>>>>> audio drum track into slices based on transcients, which is usually
>>>>>>>>> the kick drum, since it's the loudest drum most of the time.
>>>>>>>>> Then, once you have the slices, you force them to align with the
>>>>>>>>> nearest grid line.
>>>>>>>>> You can set the grid to thirty secondths, sixteenths, eighths,
>>>>>>>>> etcetera, in Reaper's quantize.
>>>>>>>>> There is also a Snap to Grid setting in the options menu; where you
>>>>>>>>> can set the grid resolution.
>>>>>>>>> Then; once the slices are on the proper timing;  you glue the slices
>>>>>>>>> back together.
>>>>>>>>> You can understand the advantage of the new Stretch marks method,
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> a single step; if you have a reference rhythm audio track that is
>>>>>>>>> already in perfect timing.
>>>>>>>>> I haven't done these yet, I've been concentrating on midi
>>>>>>>>> editing, not
>>>>>>>>> so much on audio editing.
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2013 7:53 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Same can be done by ears. split into items and use the nudge
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts. If you use SWS  you can set a preset nudge value for
>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>> 8 presets and assign them to keyboard shortcuts  This could allow u
>>>>>>>>>> to move quicker through things.  Saved me some time when lining up
>>>>>>>>>> some parts of a project where i was just sent all the files instead
>>>>>>>>>> of the actual project files.  Also to save time, use the above
>>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>>> to edit each part you need to the grid, then make loops out of
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> then u can stretch them for as many measures as you need and
>>>>>>>>>> copy and
>>>>>>>>>> paste them to various parts of the project.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:53 AM, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to record a drum with my workstation.  i output the
>>>>>>>>>>> workstation's audio to reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a good drum player, thus my timings are not 100% right.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to do audio quantizing in reaper, so my drum and
>>>>>>>>>>> rhythms become accurate?
>>>>>>>>>>> I did a google search, and i found this.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=92816
>>>>>>>>>>> so slicing and cutting sounds like that it would require eye sight
>>>>>>>>>>> to match clips  with each other visually?
>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you help me out with this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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