[RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 19 11:12:11 EDT 2013 

I can just imagine what I'd get if I googled stretch marks 'grin'.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] how to do audio quantizing with reaper?


> Maybe you could Google Stretch Marks, which will let you move all the 
> transcients; loud places; in the track to the nearest stretch marker in a 
> single action.
> You could make an audio track with clicks on it; like place a single kick 
> drum beat at the beginning of measure 1, beat 1, then stretch it as an 
> item so it would repeat at every beat.
> You'd need to create such a click track exactly as long as your present 
> drum track.
> Then somehow the Stretch Marks method will force your audio drum track to 
> fit the time on the click track.
> Stretch Marks is in the Reaper 4.4402 items menu, with a submenu to place 
> stretch marks, but I haven't found anything on how to use it.
> It's brand new, so the sighted users in the forums were just guessing, 
> same as us, on how to use it; when I looked, several weeks ago, but there 
> eventually should be more info on using it.
> When I google, I always start the search terms with cockos..reaper..
> then a very few words, like Stretch marks.
> If I don't include cockos I get hits on something called Don't Fear The 
> Grim Reaper, songs from a group named Grim Reaper, and piles of other non 
> related stuff.
>
> Later today I'll go try my luck to learn more about Stretch Marks.
> I really really want to do naughty things with it; like force the words of 
> a speech from some very pompous dignified official to the beat of a really 
> hip breakBeat.  smile.
> There's an app for the iPad that already does this; a real side splitter!
> Indi
>
>
> Indi
> On 6/18/2013 6:49 PM, hadi wrote:
>> Well i should probably stop sending mails since i won't have the chance
>> to check out slip editting untill i'm at home, but i'm really curious
>> that how it works.
>> So i'm gonna clip out every single  miskick (the ones that are out of
>> the timing tempo) and nudge them one by one?
>> Isn't going to take more than one day for a song? since you have to clip
>> out every single kick, then actually bring up the nudge window... set
>> the position, then move the clip   left and right untill it fits the 
>> grid?
>> I assume there should be a shortcut also for nudging? pressing the space
>> and enter on  nudge left and nudge right kinda suck... in terms of
>> accessibility, also. since whenever i try pressing them, the clip begins
>> to play and pause.
>>
>> I'm checking out reaper on my laptop without any recording tools of 
>> course.
>> Oh, and about the looping,  what i'm going to record is mostly rock
>> music, so i don't think looping would be nice, except that maybe i found
>> myself lazy, or very bad at playing the drum on my keyboard. Maybe i
>> just need to practice that? i found  playing drum on time very hard on a
>> keyboard, specially when the duration goes over one minute...
>>
>> Oh and yeah, what indi said. just check out every rap and hiphop song..
>> stuff like justin beeber and rihana or whatever... and enjoy the
>> unending loops lol.
>> Cheers
>> Hadi
>>
>> On 6/19/2013 2:34 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>> That's what you get in all the top 40 hits now, they make 1 perfect
>>> phrase, then repeat it again and again, sometimes treating it with
>>> different effects, sometimes not even bothering.
>>> I listen to many vocal tutorials taking a single vocal line, copying
>>> it to another track, delaying or stretching or shrinking it slightly,
>>> so it's not quite the same, then panning the two vocals hard left and
>>> right, and you have the typical vocal lead you hear in all the hits.
>>> TC Helicon's gear does this automatically, with their thickening
>>> setting, then adds harmonies above or below the original vocal line,
>>> all really just a single vocal treated in various ways.
>>> Done right it sounds good, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/18/2013 5:04 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>> Yes once you have   slip edited one pass of the first  verse and have
>>>> it all on the grid, You can glue all the splits back together to make
>>>> it an item again and then set it to be a loop. Then instead of having
>>>> to slip edit the reast of the drums for the verses, you can delete
>>>> them and just set the number of times u want that first past to loop
>>>> for the length of the verse.  The downside to this is that a real
>>>> drummer never hits  the drums exactly the same way twice so the
>>>> natrual dynamic and feel may be lost. That  being said, by the time
>>>> the song is mixed  I doubt anyone willnoticed where a loop was used in
>>>> most cases. Yes this method can be used for guitars and other
>>>> instruments . Though with guitars i usually just cut out the spot
>>>> thats bad, and find a place else where in the song where that guitar
>>>> part was  played well, copy it, and  paste it in the bad spot .
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> Thank you both for helping.
>>>>> @monkey pusher, wow! Thanks hugely for that great describtion, i 
>>>>> needed
>>>>> some good explaination like this! i just  understand now how it's 
>>>>> gonna
>>>>> work. Actually, indigo's explaination made sense now, Because i really
>>>>> didn't know what  would he mean by "forcing the clips to be aligned
>>>>> with  the nearest grid line"
>>>>>     just need to wait to get back home and start recording and playing
>>>>> with it. It  doesn't matter if it costs me time, i just want it to
>>>>> work.
>>>>> So, is it possible to loop an audio clip by  copying an item and 
>>>>> making
>>>>> some more instence of it? (specially drums). I think that was the 
>>>>> thing
>>>>> that TheOreoMonster was pointing at at  his last reply?
>>>>> By the way, is it possible to use this method to fix some glitches in
>>>>> music? like, fixing a guitar that is playing,  and falls back and 
>>>>> forth
>>>>> of the time signeture?
>>>>> I think i need to just get reaper on my laptop and try to load some
>>>>> songs to it and try this untill i get back to home, because for sure
>>>>> i'm
>>>>> going to  have more questions once i start using this method. for
>>>>> example, i need to figure out how nudge feature would work, haven't
>>>>> used it at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks once again!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Hadi
>>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:08 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>> Grid is the term used in DAWS usually meaning on the  beat or 
>>>>>> measure.
>>>>>> So alligning your drum track to teh grid is essentially syncing it up
>>>>>> to the proper tempo  or beat/measure. Items is the individual clips 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> audio on the tracks.  When  you import your drum tracks i it will
>>>>>> probably be one item on each track  You can play through the project
>>>>>> and  pause the  it at a place where you find something thats out of
>>>>>> sync. You can then press  the letter S to split the item on the
>>>>>> selected  track. (Up and down arrows to move through the track list
>>>>>> and select a track.)  Every time you press the letter S you create
>>>>>> another item on that track since you just created a split or break in
>>>>>> the item and its no longer  that one longfile. So create a split at
>>>>>> the start and end of the drum hit you want to move, then use the 
>>>>>> nudge
>>>>>> keyboard shortcut to nudge that hit forward or back on the timeline 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> small ammounts till its falls where it needs to be in sync with the
>>>>>> tempo of the song. This is time consuming and there is no auto mated
>>>>>> fix that work with any good results. Thee is a reason why people who
>>>>>> do this work charge good money for it. IF you become good at it and
>>>>>> can start doing it quickly  you could be one of those people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can also select multiple  tracks and items  at once to speed up
>>>>>> the process depending on the drum tracks you are editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shift+up or down arrow selects each track as u move to it leaving the
>>>>>> previous track selected.
>>>>>> Alt Left and Right arrows allow you to move through all clips or 
>>>>>> iTems
>>>>>> on a track.
>>>>>> Alt+Shift+left and right arrows allows you to move through items and
>>>>>> select the m as you go .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you have a group of tracks selected , you can use the nudge
>>>>>> commands to move all selected itmes on those tracks at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/13, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for replying back
>>>>>>> First, regarding TheOreoMonster's post.
>>>>>>> I'm a DAW newb, i have no idea how actually to navigate within a
>>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>> and also, i don't know what are items and grids. Do i need to
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> cut my drum track to peaces or something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @indigo, i was hoping for an automated solution, i will have to 
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> strech markers out.
>>>>>>> However there's a problem and it seems that i completely suck at
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>> with reaper. i have no idea what shortcuts to use to move the cursor
>>>>>>> within a track, and position the markers and time selections. i
>>>>>>> tried to
>>>>>>> figure out also what grids are but couldn't find anything.
>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas that what documents should i study for these? 
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> tried googling some but they all lead to  amazon book, and payed
>>>>>>> courses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/18/2013 5:17 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I haven't got round to trying it yet, but in the latest Reaper
>>>>>>>> 4.4402
>>>>>>>> you got Stretch Marks, Which is both another visual means of
>>>>>>>> aligning
>>>>>>>> an audio track to visual marks, for sighted users; and also an
>>>>>>>> automatic method of forcing transcients of an audio track to be
>>>>>>>> aligned to another audio track's rhythm.
>>>>>>>> It's brand new, so you'll need to experiment with it, but; in the
>>>>>>>> Cockos forums; users were taking a spoken vocal track and forcing
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> words to align with a rhythm track, instant rap in a single move
>>>>>>>> Stretch Marks is in the items menu; with a submenu to allow setting
>>>>>>>> stretch marks to the grid.
>>>>>>>> All the daws are getting Stretch Markers, Reason just got them in
>>>>>>>> version 7.
>>>>>>>>   From what I've read; in the newest Reaper; ; if you had an
>>>>>>>> audio track
>>>>>>>> with clicks on it, that would do to align your drum track to 
>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>> timing.
>>>>>>>> I don't know any more about it than that at the moment.
>>>>>>>> You can try the old method, which was to get Reaper to slice your
>>>>>>>> audio drum track into slices based on transcients, which is usually
>>>>>>>> the kick drum, since it's the loudest drum most of the time.
>>>>>>>> Then, once you have the slices, you force them to align with the
>>>>>>>> nearest grid line.
>>>>>>>> You can set the grid to thirty secondths, sixteenths, eighths,
>>>>>>>> etcetera, in Reaper's quantize.
>>>>>>>> There is also a Snap to Grid setting in the options menu; where you
>>>>>>>> can set the grid resolution.
>>>>>>>> Then; once the slices are on the proper timing;  you glue the 
>>>>>>>> slices
>>>>>>>> back together.
>>>>>>>> You can understand the advantage of the new Stretch marks method,
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> a single step; if you have a reference rhythm audio track that is
>>>>>>>> already in perfect timing.
>>>>>>>> I haven't done these yet, I've been concentrating on midi
>>>>>>>> editing, not
>>>>>>>> so much on audio editing.
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2013 7:53 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Same can be done by ears. split into items and use the nudge
>>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>> shortcuts. If you use SWS  you can set a preset nudge value for
>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>> 8 presets and assign them to keyboard shortcuts  This could allow 
>>>>>>>>> u
>>>>>>>>> to move quicker through things.  Saved me some time when lining up
>>>>>>>>> some parts of a project where i was just sent all the files 
>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>> of the actual project files.  Also to save time, use the above
>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>> to edit each part you need to the grid, then make loops out of
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>> then u can stretch them for as many measures as you need and
>>>>>>>>> copy and
>>>>>>>>> paste them to various parts of the project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:53 AM, hadi <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to record a drum with my workstation.  i output the
>>>>>>>>>> workstation's audio to reaper.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a good drum player, thus my timings are not 100% right.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to do audio quantizing in reaper, so my drum and
>>>>>>>>>> rhythms become accurate?
>>>>>>>>>> I did a google search, and i found this.
>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=92816
>>>>>>>>>> so slicing and cutting sounds like that it would require eye 
>>>>>>>>>> sight
>>>>>>>>>> to match clips  with each other visually?
>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you help me out with this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Hadi
>>>>>>>>>>
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